New guys, now is not the time

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Dustin, Oct 30, 2009.

  1. I find the story of the cats a really good one. May be they watched you when you were trading today, and learned how to take meat from the table of others! If they could speak they might even say something like ("We wanted you to taste your own medicine..." :)

    One point I have a different opinion on: I think the aim is to make money. So being a technical trader is not an aim but only a possible mean, and who knows it can be a liability for some. If one finds something that works, that is all it matters.

    Learning the technical part is maybe a skill you will have so that the fast talkers on TV/etc cannot claim to be smarter than you, when you are smarter than them.

    You are a tape reader! Like in "Reminiscence..".

    Enjoy the meat(s)! :p
     
    #91     Nov 2, 2009
  2. mostly on news and L2, some tactics from charts
     
    #92     Nov 3, 2009
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    1. HGSI made even more money today!

    2. Stock can be tricky. I looked at a stock which is trading at higher volume in after hours. It closed at around 23, and earned 0.47, but is trading at 15 to 16 range.

    I tried to buy some shares at 15.17, and by the time I made the order it ran away from me. Within 2 minutes it went to 15.80 area. I missed it, even though I tried buying at ask.
     
    #93     Nov 3, 2009
  4. thanks for this, Dustin!
     
    #94     Nov 3, 2009




  5. 1. HGSI made even more money today!

    2. Stock can be tricky. I looked at a stock which is trading at higher volume in after hours. It closed at around 23, and earned 0.47, but is trading at 15 to 16 range.

    I tried to buy some shares at 15.17, and by the time I made the order it ran away from me. Within 2 minutes it went to 15.80 area. I missed it, even though I tried buying at ask.
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    Oh yes, stocks can be tricky. I still feel OK closing out HGSI at 25. But today I was in investor seminars at Schwab all day. Got home just in time to tune into the 4:30 est. conference call with STEC. By then, the quarterly summary was out, and if I had been home earlier and read it, I would have felt pretty good.

    Imagine my surprise then, when I checked STEC's price in early after hours and saw that it had plunged 30%! It had closed at 23.15, and by end of after-hours, it stands at $15.76, with 12MM shs traded after hours. (50 day avg vol is 5MM.)

    So today at Schwab I took a step forward in reading charts. As best I can tell (hope) there's support at around 15. Also, I just re-read financial results, and I think they are very good. So here's what I think:

    1) STEC is cutting edge new tech, so it is very volatile. Even a whisper of doubt about prospective sell-through or inventory back-up sends it tumbling.

    2) STEC is a smallish company with an unproven marketing effort, nothwithstanding superior technical quality (and damn good operating results, too). But small and unproven gets "investors" jittery.

    3) There's buzz about pending competition in a market STEC was thought to have all to itself. But my reading of those factors says that ramping up to go against STEC in such a highly specialized market (they make ultra high end solid state drives ((SSD)) used for crucial storage by the big record storage cos. - EMC, IBM, Hitachi, Sun etc.) is not so easy. Competing tech, ISO approval, customer acceptance, etc. are a steep hill to climb. But the cost effectiveness of SSD in general needs to be sold by STEC's marketing efforts.

    4) With only a 31MM float, STEC is easily manipulated by bear gangs who want to short you right out of your pants, and then re-buy and enjoy the ride back up.

    So what do I do? I hang on, for about another two quarters, I think. What does anyone else think? Me, the dogs are both snoring, and I'm going to bed.
     
    #95     Nov 3, 2009
  6. Thanks for the post Justin. I too have been struggling these last few months with these market conditions but am hopeful that this will help me down the road. Sort of a "what doesnt kill you, only makes you stronger" mentality. As a forex trader you have to continue to look for opportunities to make pips and be able to change your strategy when the time is right. Best of luck to everyone :)
     
    #96     Nov 3, 2009
  7. When a company reports numbers that look good but trades down hard you look to the guidance. In this case guidance was ok so you look to comments in the call. The inventory issue is potentially a MAJOR issue. Lots of times when companies have problems the first hint is an inventory issue so I think there is cause for concern. I also see a serious red flag with the operating cash flow, but it's due to a very large increase in accounts receivable... which is a classic way to play games with your numbers. This looks like a huge red flag to me (but I say that after glancing at the statements for 3 minutes so it's not a deep analysis.)

    I'm absolutely not an expert in the sector but I do think there are basically little or no barriers to entry. Bigger competitors could eat their lunch pretty easily.

    However... in my mind none of that matters because all that matters is what the market is telling you. When a stock gets hit hard on earnings it usually continues to go down for a while. The right answer to what to do here is personal and depends on your risk tolerance and timeframe... but "holding on and hoping" is rarely a good idea. To my eye, it's a badly broken chart and any bounce is a sell. I don't see any real support until below 15... and 10 looks like a good downside target. Chartwise it's a short to me.

    This stock has something like over 45% of the float held short last time I checked. That is very high. Two thoughts: 1) stocks with high short interest are vulnerable to short squeezes, erratic bounces and hard pops and 2) statistically speaking, stocks with high short interest tend to go down.

    The chart, the short interest, the inventory issue, the ballooning receivables and the reaction to earnings make this a screaming short for me, but I'm also wrong a lot. if we get a good bounce in the market sometimes things like this can go up harder than you'd imagine but i would encourage you to at least lighten your position at some point.

    (I should also mention that I dont make trading decisions based on the most of the criteria in this post, but I do know how to play the "analysis game" lol)

    Oh yes, stocks can be tricky. I still feel OK closing out HGSI at 25. But today I was in investor seminars at Schwab all day. Got home just in time to tune into the 4:30 est. conference call with STEC. By then, the quarterly summary was out, and if I had been home earlier and read it, I would have felt pretty good.

    Imagine my surprise then, when I checked STEC's price in early after hours and saw that it had plunged 30%! It had closed at 23.15, and by end of after-hours, it stands at $15.76, with 12MM shs traded after hours. (50 day avg vol is 5MM.)

    So today at Schwab I took a step forward in reading charts. As best I can tell (hope) there's support at around 15. Also, I just re-read financial results, and I think they are very good. So here's what I think:

    1) STEC is cutting edge new tech, so it is very volatile. Even a whisper of doubt about prospective sell-through or inventory back-up sends it tumbling.

    2) STEC is a smallish company with an unproven marketing effort, nothwithstanding superior technical quality (and damn good operating results, too). But small and unproven gets "investors" jittery.

    3) There's buzz about pending competition in a market STEC was thought to have all to itself. But my reading of those factors says that ramping up to go against STEC in such a highly specialized market (they make ultra high end solid state drives ((SSD)) used for crucial storage by the big record storage cos. - EMC, IBM, Hitachi, Sun etc.) is not so easy. Competing tech, ISO approval, customer acceptance, etc. are a steep hill to climb. But the cost effectiveness of SSD in general needs to be sold by STEC's marketing efforts.

    4) With only a 31MM float, STEC is easily manipulated by bear gangs who want to short you right out of your pants, and then re-buy and enjoy the ride back up.

    So what do I do? I hang on, for about another two quarters, I think. What does anyone else think? Me, the dogs are both snoring, and I'm going to bed. [/B][/QUOTE]
     
    #97     Nov 3, 2009
  8. and the action today shows why holding on is not a good idea. why take a position in a stock BEFORE earnings anyway? i've never understood why people do that.

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    #98     Nov 4, 2009
  9. Because most people who "trade" (if we can even call it that) are gamblers and they are looking to make money quickly.

     
    #99     Nov 4, 2009
  10. Talon's comments on guidance is correct, because what matters are the future earnings not the past including the one just released. People may not understand that what the buy is the right to the future earnings. Stocks do not grade how good the company was the last quarter, but how good it will be in the future quarters.

    One thing I did not see yet: What are the prospects of a takeover of this stock? SSD technology is great. The computer from which I am typing now has a SSD disk. The do not have a motor inside (so they are robust) and I also shut the computer and it restarts where it was. These disks are really the future in my view.

    I shorted STEC at 16.02, on the bounce from 15.60 area. Covered in lower 15s.

    I see support for today at 14.37 area if it gets there. I started buying at 14.66. I decided to buy in case of a ferocious short covering back to the 15.50 area.

    But this stock is weak overall at this point. If it goes back up to 23 area, I would short it on first sign of weakness.
     
    #100     Nov 4, 2009