New Coronavirus Variant (Omicron; B.1.1529) a ‘Serious Concern’ in South Africa

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ipatent, Nov 25, 2021.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #171     Dec 7, 2021
  2. exlib

    exlib



    Do you post anything which is not anti science or anti data?

    Regarding Breakthrough cases... you just lied. Nobody with any integrity would pretend that we only have .5% breakthrough rate now. Posting a study from July looking at results before the antibodies in the vaccinated waned is part of the reason there is slow uptake on the vaccines.

    Everybody knows plenty of vaccinated people who had breaththrough infections. So when you or the CDC misrepresents reality you are no longer a trustworthy person or source.


    Thankfully most of the vaccinated did not have serious cases. But your lies are part of the problem.


    Regarding ADE

    It is a lie and anti science to claim that ADE is not a risk.
    If you were to state we have not seen ADE yet, that could be accurate.

    To deny the risk of ADE for new mutations or new vaccines is to deny
    decades of research into vaccines and viruses like SARS.
     
    #172     Dec 7, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So you just post more anti-vax talking points including more ADE bullshiat.. Go take a look at the KFF vaccinated breakthrough rate by state or the CDC data on vaccinated breakthrough rate.

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    #173     Dec 7, 2021
  4. exlib

    exlib

    Why would I do that?

    The Isreali data is a very strong argument your argument about .5 percent breakthrough cases is a lie.

    If you wish to make a new argument with current data about a new number and how much we can trust it in the context of limited U.S. data, please do.

    Our entire country and the world would all benefit from truthful arguments based on the best data we have.




     
    #174     Dec 7, 2021
  5. UsualName

    UsualName

    The ADE stuff is something that needs to be monitored on the very rare chance it could happen. However, at this point with all of the vaccinations administered and the contact vaccinated people have had with virus, ADE is not an issue anymore.
     
    #175     Dec 7, 2021
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  6. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    ADE and Israel were digital fingerprints debates by jem.

    I had a decent conversation with him about both in a reply and he then left the topics alone...didn't debate about them again. In fact, I think he understood the science much better and actually agreed on them but then I realized it really wasn't an issue with him...he was just being argumentative about the two topics.

    wrbtrader
     
    #176     Dec 7, 2021
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So you cite an article showing that on a single day (August 11th) that 250 patients out of 4505 were vaccinated. Maybe you need to study up on Simpsons paradox and some other basic mathematical concepts,

    Tell us what percentage of the total vaccinated people in Israel have breakthrough cases.
    The data available on the Israeli health dashboard shows this is under 0.5%.
     
    #177     Dec 7, 2021
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yes... pretty sure this is just jem's latest alias. It's the same pile of complete bullshiat being shovelled again.
     
    #178     Dec 7, 2021
  9. LOL. Good one!

    Unless the "right people" get paid (including "10 for the big guy") nothing like that is going to happen.
     
    #179     Dec 7, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You won't do that -- because the Israeli data as a whole shows the vaccinated breakthrough rate is below 0.5%.

    The best you can do is cite an article showing that on a single day that 250 out of 405 severe cases (over 50%) were vaccinated. This has nearly nothing to do with vaccinated breakthrough rate. Maybe you should get a better understanding of base rate fallacy.
     
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    #180     Dec 7, 2021