New book on how traders are beating the HFT guys

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by brad10, Apr 3, 2014.

  1. ashantt

    ashantt


    XELITE, you dumbass!

    Dustin is one of the most well respected traders on this board. Read his posts going back 14 years.

    If he says something I would listen.
     
    #71     Apr 28, 2014
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  2. Oh, sorry, I didn't know that if you post for 14 years you automatically become an expert.

    Dustin may be a good trader but he is dead wrong on this particular issue. Risking real cash on untested systems is insane, period!

    And please watch your language, there is no need to be vulgar.
     
    #72     Apr 28, 2014
  3. I backtested this code and it worked very well for me.

    Dim Low as Double, High as Double, Price as WhoCares

    If Price=Low then BUY
    If Price=High then SELL


    Was anything like that in the book?
     
    #73     Apr 28, 2014
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  4. Author another guy says made a living off poker.

    So far I've counted 387,697 people making that claim. And not ONE who said they lost playing poker.
     
    #74     Apr 28, 2014
  5. Haha funny.
     
    #75     Apr 28, 2014
  6. Dustin

    Dustin

    In 2010 I could have made more working at McDonalds. Otherwise, every year has paid the bills plus some.
     
    #76     Apr 28, 2014
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  7. Generally P/L is a pretty good indicator of whether a system is profitable or not.:p I don't think people are saying backtesting is bad, but it's equally closed minded to think it's the only way to go.

    IMO, backtesting is great for understanding market dynamics and what may have worked in the past but relied upon in isolation is just as silly as dismissing it completely.

    ...read a few chapters of the book and it seems interesting. Good entertainment and a testament to the variety of approaches people can use to make money. m2c.
     
    #77     Apr 28, 2014
  8. Oh no, far from it.

    Here is an example: a backtest reveals that Forex system A makes 10% a year on average, while Forex system B makes 20% a year. Upon close examination I choose to trade system A and end up making more money than system B, with the same trading capital. :confused:

    Can you guess why? :cool:

    I did not say it's the only way to go but without the backtest the trader is simply gambling with this money, simple as that. Unless he is doing arbitrage trading for example.

    In fact ask the average trader about the maximum drawdown of his system or his average profit (loss?) per trade and most of the time you will simply get answers like :"Gee, I really don't know, but I made $270 yesterday, not bad, eh?"
     
    #78     Apr 28, 2014
  9. This is honestly the dumbest debate ever. For system traders you need to backtest. To run a system without backtesting is foolish. For discretionary traders backtesting isn't necessarily needed and in many cases impossible.

    Can we end this debate and not hijack this thread anymore.
     
    #79     Apr 28, 2014
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  10. Pjort

    Pjort

    You are so right, this is only a book, a good one..,
    And I apoliguise for bringong up the backtesting discussion as a matter of subject connected to this book.

    The book really deserves more than that.
    It is a truly interesting inside look in the succesfull medium / small sized traders workshop. Normally we dont get the chance to learn about that.

    The book tells the story about who and how is the succesfull traders around the big "trading poker table" acting and thinking.

    Sommething which trader forum not allways is able to tell without a lott of noise from a lot of peoples guessing, thinking, knowing and meaning...
     
    #80     Apr 29, 2014