Never in a million years could have seen this coming.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Max E., Jun 8, 2014.

  1. DHOHHI

    DHOHHI

    And why can't they get a better job? Lack of education ... drop outs! I've forgotten more about this subject than you will ever know. 13 years working with kids who have loser parent(s), who are more than happy to 'use' the system. For many it is a way of life. Why work when you can sit on your ass and make more by taking advantage of every government program out there, whether qualified or not. Do you have any clue as to how much fraud is all the government run programs? And then on the side some of them deal drugs or engage in other illegal activities netting them $$$$. I've seen parents of kids ... who are known drug dealers .. pull up to school in their nice new Cadillac Escalade. And yet they get food stamps, Section 8 housing, utility bill assistance, welfare payments, etc. Some are truly working poor ... but many are in the above category and while they use the system they also at the same time bitch about lack of opportunities and being poor. But how many CHOOSE to be proactive and make things happen?

    Hire better teachers? LOL If we started with abolishing the damn teachers unions that would be a great first step. The teachers I work with are mostly young, ambitious and 100% committed to teaching these kids. They are TEACHERS ... and not supposed to fill the role of parent and baby sitter.
     
    #81     Jul 25, 2014
  2. DHOHHI

    DHOHHI

    I saw guys working on the factory floor at semi-skilled jobs at GM making $125K/year back in the early to mid 90's. A little OT goes a long way.
     
    #82     Jul 25, 2014
  3. Max E.

    Max E.

    Especially when your own slacking causes the need for OT.
     
    #83     Jul 25, 2014
  4. We should be able to agree, but as soon as someone asks what is a fair wage for most CEO's, someone is going to reply, what's fair got to do with it? The argument then ensues.
    The fact of the matter is, IMO, fair does have something to do with it. It is the complete exploitation of a company workforce when it is only those at the top are rewarded for increased productivity. It's as if having a job alone is reward enough for the guy on the factory floor. Oh thank you great pharaoh for your generosity in allowing me to toil away for you. Fuck that! When profits, stock price go up, everyone's pay should go up. Conversely, if/when things go south for awhile, everyone should take the hit then too. That would be fair.
    In no way do I assert that all pay should be equal. Those at the top will always make more, in many cases much more, and that's fine. But when some guy who is nothing but a glorified salesman is making tens of millions while the "skilled" people who actually do something, make something, are earning 40K a year, that's bullshit. It needs to change.

     
    #84     Jul 25, 2014
  5. And those running this failing company made tens, if not hundreds of millions. A little good old boy, business as usual network goes a long ways too. Fact is, in the case of GM, both the hourly workforce and management should have been taking huge pay cuts.
     
    #85     Jul 25, 2014
  6. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Actually I was a teacher for nearly 20 years, much of it in a poverty district. So playing the experience card isn't going to fly with me.

    You're stuck in a state of perpetual whine and offer no solutions whatsoever. If all of this bothers you so much, run for the school board. Run for the city council. Do something more than go on and on ad infinitum about how all the colored peoples have no one to blame but themselves. If you really believe that, you've learned nothing in spite of your "experience".
     
    #86     Jul 25, 2014
  7. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    I vote for CaptainObvious.
     
    #87     Jul 25, 2014
  8. So you maintain that he is full of crap and that family support and cultural respect or lack thereof for education are not crucial? That doing what we've been doing for 50 years, ie throwing money at the problem and blaming it on racism, is the way to go?
     
    #88     Jul 25, 2014
  9. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    That's not what I said at all. Try again.
     
    #89     Jul 25, 2014
  10. DHOHHI

    DHOHHI

    Sure there were plenty of slackers. But try to get a union guy fired. It was impossible for anything short of murder. I saw guys sleeping out on the line. No big deal .... foreman didn't care. November 1st and half of a shift might call in sick to go hunting.
     
    #90     Jul 25, 2014