What you lefties dont understand is that the world is dog eat dog regardless of the number of government programs you put in place, the only thing you guys manage to do is change the dog who is being eaten.
Yep. Capitalism alone is not sufficient. Insufficient Socialism is also not sufficient. Marxism sees the proletariat and bourgeoisie . . . as occupying conflicting positions, since workers automatically wish their wages to be as high as possible, while owners and their proxies wish for wages . . . to be as low as possible. Wikipedia
And yet you gleefully cheer for a party that supports more Bureaucracy, and more meritocracy. In your mind the way to solve authoritarian government is to give government even more authority. See stockholm syndrome
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Far better to support a government that supports increased corporate power, less democracy and competition and the excesses they will try and get away with if possible? Stockholm syndrome applies both ways and I would wager corporations sell to you more than the government. I just read the latest thread of nuke em all and let god sort it out.... and saw you are arguing my point, thanks... from http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?t=285454 difference is that you are coming from and labeling everyone from a conservative view point without recognizing the right often ignores the negative consequences as well. ..................... You can also lump me in with the lefties if you like - even when I tell you no one who knows me would think I was - it seems anyone who does not agree with someone these days needs to be lumped somewhere because people are too lazy/ignorant or stupid to think beyond names in the first instance. I would like to start a rant now.... From my own personal experience of business and working in the trading pits - the biggest m..f c..ts who are the first to cry poor when things dont go their way and ask for handouts are those who talk loudest about free markets, competition and belittle anyone else. These are the people with no moral compass and all the BS about might is right, god is on their side, and thinking everyone else is a bleeding heart liberal (or chardonnay socialist) and who would sell their grandmother for a dollar even if she is dead and they just climbed off giving her one as part of a bet. These same people often climbed the corporate ladders and claimed they gave more of their salary to charity than others - at the same time ripping their clients faces off, diddling their taxes and dipping in the public purse with bailouts subsidies and the like while decrying poor societies parasites. I dont think you are like that. My view at the present is that the politically correct and bureaucracy is a direct result of the faster to market excesses of some of the companies. Its not a chicken or an egg - companies will always outsmart the government who has to play catchup. The problem with the government is they are not fixing the real problems, instead they try and impose red tape on small businesses - its a rule of the dog eat dog world - eat what you can and not those that feed you. The solution to simply call for smaller government is idiotic in a system that encourages bigger is better for all things. I would like to see smaller government as well as smaller corporate influence - I guess maybe I side with the underdog as I think thse in the positions of power have a responsibility to exercise that power with justice, fairness and equality. But as we all get what we want out of the market most folks will vote for those who bark ideas, howl the loudest and provide crap in this dog eat dog world. So ends the rant as like so many of these arguments its like a friday night social in rural England - boys on the left/right, girls on the right/left of the hall no one talking until someone gets too pissed, starts a fight followed by scandals unwanted pregnancies and more inbreeding. The cycle continues
Wrong, right from the get-go. You conveniently leave out Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare. Both are party of the social safety net. Together, all social "safety net" programs account for 58% of the total budget.
I know what you're stating is technically correct, but I have trouble with people finding some equivalence between social security and welfare. Social Security, medicare, unemployment insurance are not the same as welfare, public aid and food stamps. The fact that congress embezzled all the money from S.S. is another issue. Fact is, had congress not embezzled all the money we'd be retiring earlier not later, and with increased benefits. Again, the people of this nation are not the problem. It is the criminally corrupt congress and a political system which has people believing their vote actually makes a difference.
I'm not saying SS shouldn't be, or anything like that. I'm simply saying that if we're talking social safety net, you have to include those. If you just want to talk about all welfare/safety net ex SS and MC, then let's do so.