Netflix Short Was Hedge-Fund Manager Tilson's Biggest 2010 Loser

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Optionpro007, Jan 6, 2011.

  1. And more importantly with too much size. If the article is correct and he suffered significant losses due to the NFLX short, his position was too big.

    Stocks with a high short interest that are squeezable will be squeezed.
     
    #11     Jan 7, 2011
  2. NY_HOOD

    NY_HOOD

    NFLX is coiling and about to make a huge move..we won't know which way until it starts and thats when we jump in. we wait for the confirmation,we don't guess.
     
    #12     Jan 7, 2011
  3. Who is we? if I may ask..
     
    #13     Jan 7, 2011
  4. Just kidding NY Hood, you know I love you :)
     
    #15     Jan 7, 2011
  5. good call on NFLX there, NYHood
     
    #16     Jan 11, 2011
  6. First of all all these comments are of non traders or rookies. Seriously, did you read his reason on why he is shorting? If you didn't then don't comment. The market has been in a bull market right now, which is hard for shorts to make money. Patience and his thesis for netflix will play out.
     
    #17     Jan 11, 2011
  7. Lighten up there Whitney, no need to get so defensive.
     
    #18     Jan 11, 2011
  8. Shorting great companies with high growth, because of high valuation, is a noob error. Instead, focus on companies whose business model, solvency, or earnings are going to deteriorate significantly. Stick to stocks where the earnings go negative, where the company can't pay its debt, or where the business model has become obsolete; not companies which are going to be much bigger and more successful in 3 or 5 years' time.

    If the valuation is truly insane, rather than merely expensive, then you can make money shorting great companies. But it's an uphill struggle. Any glamour stock can come out with an earnings beat, new product, new deal, which can pop the stock 30-50% in a few months or even weeks, and your short is a dismal failure - even if you eventually are right, you make 50% after suffering a 50% drawdown, a marginal result to say the least. And these kind of stocks can just go up 50 or even 100% on pure air, if sentiment improves and the bull market continues to pump up valuations. Finally, some stocks like this will just beat earnings estimates quarter after quarter, and grow into their valuations far more rapidly than expected, and that's where you can lose huge amounts of money. There are too many factors against to be worthwhile.

    Given that even in the midst of a raging bull market, there is always at least 5-10 stocks whose businesses are bad and getting worse, whose earnings are in the toilet, whose management is incompetent or criminal, why the hell make a marginal, risky trade on a great company and a market darling with momentum players up the ying yang? Hell, every single year there are at least a dozen stocks that are *outright frauds* worth literally $0 per share, that will eventually fall 100%. It is inferior trading to short a stock like NFLX when you can short a total fraud, or an impending bankruptcy.
     
    #19     Jan 11, 2011
  9. Then it didn't work out, did it? There is no such thing as 'too early' in a trade. There is profit, and there is loss; good trade, and bad trade. Early is a loss, hence the trade sucked. Just because there might be a chance to rectify the atrocious blunder with a later sound trade, does not make the first trade any less appallingly misconceived.
     
    #20     Jan 11, 2011