Why don't you take it up with 15 Israeli and American investigations which all concluded that it was an unfortunate accident. Oh of course, it was all yet another jewish conspiracy, was not it, all those investigations were controlled by the JOOZ. Sorry, my bad, what was I thinking. Anyway, what does it have to do with this discussion. One clown brings up a totally irrelevant event that took place more than half a century ago, another does not believe the conclusion of 15 independent investigations because he knows better... All you people do is throw unrelated shit (mostly made up by your islamo-nazi/antisemitic brethren) and see what sticks. * U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry of June 1967 * Joint Chief of Staff's Report of June 1967. * CIA Intelligence Memorandums of June 1967 * Clark Clifford Report of July 1967 * Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony of July 1967 * House Armed Services Committee Investigation of 1971 * The NSA History Report of 1981 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#Investigations_of_the_attack Indeed it does...About you and your ilk my friend
Why is it whenever Israel gets caught doing something controversial, accusations of anti-semitism immediately begin to fly? Are you actually claiming Israel is perfect? Or that Israel should be above all criticism because Jews were victimized by the fucking Nazis? Is that supposed to be a get-out-of-jail free pass ad infinitum? Just tell us what the fucking "rules" are here so we can stop playing this apparent game of Israel Can Do No Wrong! Not every criticism of Israel is based on anti-semitism, because regardless of what YOU think, Israel isn't perfect. No nation is. http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/eedition/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,43090.story New revelations in attack on American spy ship Veterans, documents suggest U.S., Israel didn't tell full story of deadly '67 incident
Could be associated with the uber tratior John Walker on a direct level. And AIPAC and that crew of deceitful devils on a directly/indirect level who manipulated Bush the Dumber into war? Ya think? My great wish that the American Evangelicals would move to Jerusalem and settle in those new gleaming "Soviet Era," concrete edifices called settlements. And basically get the flying fuxx out of out American politics. That would be good.
Why is it whenever Israel gets caught doing something controversial, accusations of anti-semitism immediately begin to fly? no, but when you have to go 50 years back to dig up dirt on israel (which is highly controversial given 15 American and Israeli investigations and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion), when people don't believe 15 independent investigations and keep accusing Israel of a crime it did not commit the thought of anti-semitism does leap to mind. Are you actually claiming Israel is perfect? No, of course not, but your ilk claims Israel is the little satan. Or that Israel should be above all criticism because Jews were victimized by the fucking Nazis? Is that supposed to be a get-out-of-jail free pass ad infinitum? Just tell us what the fucking "rules" are here so we can stop playing this apparent game of Israel Can Do No Wrong! The rules are simple, don't bring up irrelevant and debunked ancient history when discussing contemporary events, don't accuse a state of a crime after it was cleared by 15 independent investigations carried out by professional unbiased investigators. Don't single out Israel, don't apply a standard to Israel that has never in the history of humanity been applied to any other state, ethnicity or religion. Not every criticism of Israel is based on anti-semitism, because regardless of what YOU think, Israel isn't perfect. No nation is. Fair enough. And yet I don't see you and your ilk criticizing any other nation, you're not criticizing European nations, Arab Nations, China, Japan, Islamic nations... You and your ilk are obsessed with criticizing Israel.
43 years. Learn to count. There were 15 "independent investigations" that are still highly disputed by the victims who were actually there. The people who actually experienced the attacks say your 15 "independent investigations" are full of shit. I know YOU want to ignore that but I and other reasonable people will not. My ilk is my father, who got wounded in WWII helping to liberate your ilk from the Nazis. Not irrelevant and not debunked. Covered up, according to the very people who were actually there. Getting entangled with Israel has cost America a whole helluva lot more than getting entangled with, say, France. Or Japan. I've criticized China and Islamic nations but your myopia is blind to that. Projecting your own bigotry onto me won't make the problems between America and Israel go away.
LOL, you're hiding behind your daddy's back now as if his heroism somehow absolves you of your bigotry and biases. Guess what, it does not. And your father did not fight to "liberate my ilk from the Nazis" he fought to liberate the entire world from Nazism. It's just too bad that his son accuses Israel of the same things Hitler was accusing the jews before Israel even existed. PS you're not the only one whose ancestors fought, got wounded or killed in WWII. Most people are mature and self-confident enough not to use it to justify their views though, most people grew to become decent human beings, not hateful, antisemitic losers.
All you've proven is that you consider any and all criticism of Israel as ipso facto "anti-semitism". You are arrogantly ignorant of your own biases and prejudices. Equating legitimate questions about the unprovoked attack on the USS Liberty by the Israeli military to the lies spread by Hitler is the ultimate in Zionist bigotry and prejudice. You're exposed, fool. http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/eedition/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,43090.story
Shee thanks Dr. Zhivodka! What have we done to you to hate us that much? But then again, there is a precedent to that. The secular Zionists of the State of Israel took the same exact action with their ultra religious Wachos... They dumped them on us.
Sorry, I perhaps wrongly assumed English was your first language. It's quite simple though. Let me try again. You said: I'll repeat part of your quote: "what do you want us to do about it now?" Do you see the bit I have put in bold above? The word: "us" It's a pronoun. Here's a dictionary definition for you: âpronoun 1. the objective case of we, used as a direct or indirect object: They took us to the circus. She asked us the way. 2. Informal. (used in place of the pronoun we in the predicate after the verb to be): It's us! 3. Informal. (used instead of the pronoun our before a gerund): She graciously forgave us spilling the gravy on the tablecloth. My question was, who are you referring to by using the word "us" in your sentence? In other words, who are you representing? Let me know if you need further clarification. I'd be happy to oblige.
Hi a_person, Just before you go through the following inquiry, why is it that the Israeli fighter Jets were un-marked? Is it to implicate Egypt? In 2003, an independent commission of highly regarded experts was created to look into the matter. The Commission consisted of Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, United States Navy (Ret.), Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff; General Raymond G. Davis, United States Marine Corps, (MOH), Former Assistant Commandant of The Marine Corps; Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, United States Navy (Ret.), Former Judge Advocate General Of The Navy; and Ambassador James Akins (Ret.), Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia. The "Moorer Commission" (Chaired by Adm. Moorer) investigated the attack and made the following findings: "We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel's attack on USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following: 1. That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty, the world's most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 173 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of seventy percent, in a crew of 294); 2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty's bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels; 3. That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of Liberty's firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty's life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded; 4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967; 5. That in attacking USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States; 6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack; 7. That although Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship's Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crewmembers were later threatened with "court-martial, imprisonment or worse" if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government; 8. That due to the influence of Israel's powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people; 9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack; 10. That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy's 1967 Court of Inquiry of Liberty attack; 11. That the truth about Israel's attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace; 12. That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel's interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States. WHEREUPON, we, the undersigned, in order to fulfill our duty to the brave crew of USS Liberty and to all Americans who are asked to serve in our Armed Forces, hereby call upon the Department of the Navy, the Congress of the United States and the American people to immediately take the following actions: FIRST: That a new Court of Inquiry be convened by the Department of the Navy, operating with Congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers; and to thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the attack on the USS Liberty, with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services, and to determine Israel's possible motive in launching said attack on a U.S. naval vessel; SECOND: That every appropriate committee of the Congress of the United States investigate the actions of the White House and Defense Department that prevented the rescue of the USS Liberty, thereafter threatened her surviving officers and men if they exposed the truth, and covered up the true circumstances of the attack from the American people; and THIRD: That the eighth day of June of every year be proclaimed to be hereafter known as USS LIBERTY REMEMBRANCE DAY, in order to commemorate USS Liberty's heroic crew; and to educate the American people of the danger to our national security inherent in any passionate attachment of our elected officials for any foreign nation. We, the undersigned, hereby affix our hands and seals, this 22nd day of October, 2003. Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, USN, Ret. Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC, MOH Former Commandant of the United States Marine Corps Merlin Staring Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret., Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, James Akins Ambassador James Akins, Ret., Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia" http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm