Negative reactions from relatives

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Nobert, Nov 18, 2020.

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  1. Trader Curt

    Trader Curt

    Just keep in mind that they probably care about your best interest and don't want to see you lose. I know I have to hide a lot of things from my family and friends, and I get the same kind of peace as if I were working a 9-5 job.

    People don't take you seriously when you tell them you trade, and if they believe it they see what they can get out of you. You're better off living a secret life than to deal with the negative crap that comes from people knowing you have money. Good luck
     
    #21     Nov 18, 2020
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  2. Empathize, engage, and encourage. You have power over the way people perceive you. :thumbsup:
     
    #22     Nov 18, 2020
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  3. volpri

    volpri

    That will be their cover ...i.e. that they really care..when in reality they are jealous that you are stepping out and doing something they secretly wish they had the guts to do. If they REALLY cared they would tell you “they think it is risky but they sincerely hope it works out real good for you and they are cheering you on to success.” Proof they are jealous is every time they get around you and can they start lecturing you again on why it won’t work and how risky it is. Just tell them “all of life is a risk. Just wish me the best.” If they refuse to do so they make themselves look bad especially if other people are around hearing the conversation.
     
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    #23     Nov 18, 2020
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  4. Nobert

    Nobert

    That's the irony of this profession.

    Either it's skepticism. (everything is risky in their eyes, while, actually, life is so risky, that one day we gonna die one way or another)

    Or, it's, as you said, - what can i get from you.

    But when you think better about it - the essence of any profession - is to provide something, and yet, the difference would be, that the percentage of those who have a very selfish desire, based on financial success, in this game, is much higher than in any other profession (maybe).

    Say you're doctor - the patient either gets healed or he - dies.
    Say you trader/investor - the person either gets info/$$$ or... He lives on as he did prior.
    (if, one is providing with info for free)

    Both selfish, yet, there's a difference.

    No, not yet, maybe after 10 years. But, one cannot deny of using such, i would say, dark goals, as some sort of motivational drive, so that in the future, >>> one day <<< it could be said : ,,- I told you.''

    The percentage is quite low on this outcome, because, most likely, some really, heavy, shit-storms are coming this way... (laughs)

    Do have such aunt as well. Shes also, if one could say so, a ,,non-believer'' (big smile)
    The thing is, that those Christmas, are going to be in... Her place. Beautiful house, big family and as i expect,- lot's of odd comments.

    Woman is a second hand of one CEO, so shes scanning me, like some potential employee, and still, can't see that which i am doing, because of all biased thinking and our past together (she raised me up, like a second mom).

    So the solution, for the Christmas table, is quite simple, - promised to be back only, when i will be making a living out of this. Until then - nope. And then when that happens, if i still hear some kind of strange statements (not questions), well, it will be a sign to look out for a new table.

    Damn, when you think better of it, some spot at the house of someone who's not doing that well in life, and have lots of kids, probably would give even more pleasure. Just ,,thinking out loud'' in words.
    An idea for the future.

    ,,Welcome to the club.''
    Was one myself & the power of change, is, fascinating.
    Good for us :fistbump::) More likely, lucky us, because when you imagine the potential outcome of life, if no change has taken place. That would be, just a wasted life.

    The irony. That one is epic (big smile), i think, Howard Marks used that one few times in his lectures.

    Exactly. One could easily become over-defensive, if, all that he has ever heard was a criticism. But it serves well at the same time, because - ,,Only the paranoid survives''.

    And yes, knowing your own abilities , gives peace.
    Now as writing, a memory came back, - with them, few times i caught myself, trying to ,,prove something'' in discussion, but then, stopping right there, and saying it aloud - ,,hey, im not trying to prove anything or to sell anything, i know what im doing & fine with that'' , that catches people off guard.

    Must be painful as hell. The pain of - regret, and especially when one sees another individual starting at the same level or even lower, and witnesses him climb the ladders of success.
    That is, toxicity at it's best.



    Thanks everyone.
    Will drop an update, next year, or after next 25-26.
     
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    #24     Nov 18, 2020
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  5. volpri

    volpri

    I would go to the Christmas get together anticipating and looking for opportunities to deploy the new tactics. Kinda of like a game. Test them out. Get the book and study up fast before Christmas gets here. Ways to “smoke ‘em out and shut ‘em up” tactics. ROFLMAO.

    Then also look for opportunities to game ‘em by agreeing with him and asking for more advice and more cut downs (E.g. tell me Xxxx what more do you see wrong with this? ..I REALLY need to know). He will become bewildered and not know how to respond at first and other family members will cut loose a smile or two with a supporting glance or two towards you. You can wink at them without him seeing it and the smiles will shine even more.

    Don’t ever think you are the only one he does this too. I just about guarantee your sister gets it to from him.

    He will leave Christmas with head spinning.

    Go to the Christmas thing! Everyone will be relieved to see someone beat him at his own game.

    Push the envelope a bit.
     
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    LOL/animal patterns.
    One TX teacher said he enjoyed his pet monkey but sold it /diaper change got old/apparently they never grow up/LOL
    WE had pet guinea pigs as kids+ thats a major reason i dont want any ''free vaccine'' LOL..........................................................................................................:caution::caution::D:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
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  7. Heydrrich

    Heydrrich

    ,,hey, im not trying to prove anything or to sell anything, i know what im doing & fine with that'' , that catches people off guard.

    Yep, why care about what he says, you are being you, go to your family and loved ones, in fact , see your family as much as possible, they will not be around forever.

    if you go into that discussion with this person it means you value of what is being told
     
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  8. Nobert

    Nobert

    That's a cool idea.
    Not for the gathering itself, but patiently, wait for a chance, to try out those new tactics for dealing with that. Ofc, having a good time, but keeping the guard on & watching out for ,,the questions/statements'' to show up. To my advantage ima 6 months alcohol free, so it will be way more easy to spot those unclear messages.

    We gonna see where it goes.
    Funny that you mentioned it, because one of the reasons, of being back at hometown, from the capital city, is basically, dedicating as much of time as possible towards helping the family.
    (landing as much of responsibility as possible, just now as i write, realizing, that which is & was obvious before, provides with meaning in life, but, it's interesting, that managed to forget that. It's not the fact that you're with them, it's the fact that you're helping them, that makes one feel good. At least in my case, at the moment)

    Jocko Willing said it well in one of the speeches :
    ,,Don't get dragged into their games, because then you play by their rules''
     
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  9. JSOP

    JSOP

    First of all, I never talk about my personal finance. I feel that's my personal thing and it's really none of anybody's business. Whenever people ask me I just say "it's going fine" and that's it. I have been lucky of course in that all my close family circle has at least chose to respect my trading career.

    But with your situation, I feel you should just confront him the next time he chooses to make an "interesting" remark. Ask him head on to explain himself what he means by what he said. Many times people do not realize the impact of what they are saying; they think they are being funny, being the "life of the party". If he is not, it would give both of you a chance to get it out in the open for you to deal with him and any other family members who might be thinking the same way as him once and for all. Be polite (don't curse), be firm, look him in the eye when talking to him and be rational. Let him know what he is doing is absolutely unacceptable and he needs to stop. If the rest of the family is fine and it's just him being the jerk, then you shouldn't be giving up the rest of the family for a loser jerk (who's probably having disturbing issues in his own life). You will just ignore him from now on if he doesn't change. If the rest of the family is thinking the same way and actually is on his side, then you are getting away from the whole family for the right reason but now at least everything is out in the open. And everybody now knows why you will never attend any of the family functions for a reason and it's their fault. You will have peace of mind forever.

    Good luck! You can do this! We are all behind you. :thumbsup:
     
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    #29     Nov 18, 2020
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  10. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    I've got a Low IQ ex mate these days, he'd read beating the markets wasn't near possible and I wasn't intelligent enough ( IQ 136 ) , therefore I'm wrong despite making good money at times and he's right and there was/is no point talking about trading and that was the end of that.

    Just laugh at him, or agree with him, he won't get it and who cares.
     
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