Need Prop Firm for Overnights - Mostly

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by EliteTraderNYC, Jan 18, 2012.

  1. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    I think I can describe what goes on over at Bright better then Don can. LOL. What I think Don is trying to say is, in order to get overnight leverage, you need to hold a book of positions that are dollar neutral to spread out the risk. So the GE/SPY example is poor. Ideally you would be long say 20 different stocks and short the SPY against them so what happened in SHLD doesn't blow out your account. Don should have explained it this way. So hopefully that clears things up. Don, if you have any more questions about Bright Trading, I'll be happy to answer them! :)
     
    #31     Jan 24, 2012
  2. trader29

    trader29

    #32     Jan 24, 2012
  3. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Here is another trade for Don Bright. Short 100k worth of AAPL. Long 100k worth of SPY. Come in tomorrow. Account gone. Walk over to the shooting range. Spend half the day there. :)
     
    #33     Jan 24, 2012
  4. Our traders don't get involved in AAPL or GOOG, or most of the high priced, high risk stocks.

    And, sure, "stuff happens" - but most of the traders are good at risk control. That's what makes them good.

    Don
     
    #34     Jan 25, 2012
  5. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Yes, but I was just commenting on your single stock example. It was not a good one. Being that ANY stock, including GE, can gap overnight. And if one is leveraged even 10 to 1, a 10% gap blows you out. Being long or short SPY does absolutely nothing for your hedge over night. Having index hedges smooths out volatility only over longer time frames, but not gaps. Ten percent moves happen daily in this market on news overnight. You can't manage news risk Don. That's the first thing I would tell your traders in their "boot camp" training.
     
    #35     Jan 25, 2012
  6. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    And Don, for the record, high priced stocks are "far" more stable % wise then low priced stocks. There have been numerous statistical studies on this. People think high priced stocks are more volatile because of the absolute price moves, but on a % basis, a $300 stock is far more tame then a $15 stock all things being equal.
     
    #36     Jan 25, 2012
  7. LOL, thanks Mav...


    Don
     
    #37     Jan 25, 2012
  8. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Don, here is one of those low priced stocks for ya...ILMN...went out at $36 yesterday....up 40% today. Your SPY hedge...down .50%. Whoops. :)
     
    #38     Jan 25, 2012
  9. Here's a tip for you ... Biotechs, just say NO! :)
     
    #39     Jan 25, 2012
  10. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    What about the other 500 non bio-tech stocks that have gapped over night 10% or more in the last month? Say no to those to? So let's get rid of bio-tech. Get rid of high priced stocks. Get rid of volatile stocks. Get rid of earnings stocks. Get rid of any stock in the news. And what do we have left to trade? Dupont!!!!!! I'm ready to go! :D
     
    #40     Jan 25, 2012