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Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Oct 28, 2024.

  1. FACTS:

    “I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said. “You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.” “You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.

    You think just because he said he condemned Neo Nazis he is off the hook. There were people in that rally supporting the anti Jewish chants and message behind the rally. They did not have to be Neo Nazis, they were there as racists supporting the "jews will not replace us" chants etc...

    "And I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general.

    Just because you want to hang on a technicality that he condemned Neo Nazis does not excuse the other people at the rally. General Lee led a rebellion against the federall government because the South wanted to remain slave states. Neo Nazis are not the only groups that support the Confederate movement, just plain old racists. never met anyone who touts the confederate flag and wants symbols to stay up and they did not also have racist beliefs agaisnt Blacks.

    Therefore...you are wrong.
     
    #61     Oct 30, 2024

  2. fine people referrred to all people at the rally.. does not excuse him just because he excused Neo Nazis. They are not the only group that was there....extreme righ racists also reacted to touchging their sweet statues. Your argument fails because you are erect that he said he hates Neo Nazis.....there were plenty of racists chanting Jews will not replace us and they dont have gto be Nazis.

    I dont believe there is any real Nazi movement in the U.s. excpet for some fringe assholes. Most of the people at the rally are just southern racists who dont want their white culture of the confederacy attacked.
     
    #62     Oct 30, 2024

  3. My belief is that anyone offended or turned off by those comments who were undecided or independent are still not going over to Dems. If they were undecided up until today after everyting trump has said, they were never going to vote Dem.
     
    #63     Oct 30, 2024
  4. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    They don't have to vote for Dems, if they sit out the election, that is a net loss for Trump.

     
    #64     Oct 30, 2024
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

     
    #65     Oct 30, 2024
  6. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    In my opinion, that is a "No Vote" for either party or it increases the possibility of them doing a "Write In" for another political candidate.

    Thus, a loss for Trump especially with the number of Puerto Ricans in swing states like Pennsylvania.

    wrbtrader
     
    #66     Oct 30, 2024
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #67     Oct 30, 2024
  8. If they were undecided as of two days ago despite everything, then that recent comment by a comedian will not swing them to dems and if they no vote it just means a loss for dems IMHO. Latins tend to vote Dem even with shfit in some to GOP.

    Any independents or undecided who have not committed to either party by now will probably sit out or make last minute decision. Either way I do not see this as a positive for Dems in PA or other swing states. The fact that dems have not been able to get them committed by now does not mean a loss for trump. 3rd party or no votes hurt dems in these tight states...
     
    #68     Oct 30, 2024
  9. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    It's not just undecided voters, many dont pay attention or aren't motivated to vote.

    Since this election is about margins, if the comments motivated 10% of the Puerto Rican voters, that's a huge plus.
     
    #69     Oct 30, 2024
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Of course they played Dixie at Trump's Nazi rally.

    Fact Check: The Controversy Over 'Confederate Anthem' at Trump's Madison Square Garden Rally
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertain...ump-s-madison-square-garden-rally/ar-AA1t9Xo2

    Claim:

    "Dixie," known as the Confederate anthem, was played at former U.S. President Donald Trump's rally at Madison Square Garden in October 2024.

    Rating:

    True (About this rating?)


    Context:

    Real estate investor Steve Witkoff walked out to an Elvis Presley recording of "An American Trilogy" — a compilation of three folk songs that begins with "Dixie." Only the Dixie portion of the recording played during both his entrance and exit.

    A campaign rally for former U.S. President Donald Trump at New York City's Madison Square Garden held in the final weeks of the 2024 presidential election generated significant controversy for its inclusion of speakers making overtly racist comments or jokes.

    The inclusion of the song "Dixie" as a walk-up tune for one of the speakers at the rally was among the examples cited in news reports:



    It is true that Steve Witkoff, a real estate investor and friend of Trump's who spoke at the rally, walked out to the song Dixie during his appearance at the rally. PBS Newshour's live stream shows that moment at 2:05:00.

    "How good of a song is that?" Witkoff, who is from New York City, asked at the top of his speech. Though myriad variations of the lyrics exist, the intro music contained two of the stanzas most commonly associated with the song:

    Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton

    Old things there are not forgotten

    Look away, look away, look away Dixieland

    Oh, I wish I was in Dixie, away, away


    In Dixieland I take my stand to live and die in Dixie

    'Cause Dixieland, that's where I was born

    Early Lord one frosty morning

    Look away, look away, look away Dixieland

    This specific recording of "Dixie," sometimes called "Dixie's Land," comes from an Elvis Presley performance of "An American Trilogy" — a folk medley composed of portions of "Dixie," the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the folk song "All My Trials" (also known as "Bahamian Lullaby). The only portion of the medley that played during both Witkoff's walk-on and walk-off music, however, were the "Dixie" stanzas.

    Dixie has long been considered an unofficial Confederate anthem. This view of the song is not an after-the-fact invention but was a commonly held view during the Civil War.

    As this March 1861 commentary from a Richmond, Virginia, newspaper attests, "Dixie's Land" was viewed as the "National Anthem of Secession" from the start:

    The owner of the copyright of Dixie's Land has realized $4,000 by the sale of that song. This item of intelligence, which has gone the rounds of the newspapers, excited some surprise in the minds of those who simply consider Dixie's Land a song like other songs. "The air is pretty enough," they say, "but the words—why, they are perfectly absurd. What can have given such a sale?"

    Do you not know, questioner, that Dixie's Land has become the "National Anthem of Secession?" That it is called for in Southern Theatres, and received with cheers and applause, while Hail Columbia and the Star Spangled Banner are hissed down?

    Though "Dixie's Land" was likely written by a Northerner, the song, the anonymous correspondent wrote, "belong[ed] to the South by right of seizure."

    "Dixie's Land" was originally written for minstrel performances — musical acts in which white actors in blackface portrayed Black people using racist tropes. In that incarnation of the song, the Washington Post reported, "the song is sung by a freed slave fondly remembering his time on a plantation."

    As the Post wrote in its coverage of Trump's rally, many institutions have banned use of the song, which remains popular in the South, and which some see as an innocuous celebration of Southern heritage:

    In recent years, "Dixie" has been banned by a number of institutions, including the University of Mississippi because of its history as the unofficial national anthem of the Confederate States of America. New Orleans's Dixie Brewery changed its name to Faubourg Brewing Co. and Dixie State University became Utah Tech University.

    Felton, Emmanuel. "Confederate Anthem 'Dixie' Played at Trump's Madison Square Garden Rally." Washington Post, https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...n-square-garden-rally-dixie-song-controversy/.

    "Richmond Dispatch, 25 March 1861, p. 2." Newspapers.Com, 25 Mar. 1861, https://www.newspapers.com/article/richmond-dispatch-richmond-dispatch-25/44657831/.

    "Steve Witkoff's Nine Lives: Tough Guys Don't Fold-They Crawl Back From the Abyss." Observer, 6 Dec. 1999, https://observer.com/1999/12/steve-...guys-dont-foldthey-crawl-back-from-the-abyss/.

    "Trump Holds Campaign Rally at Madison Square Garden in New York ." PBS NewsHour - YouTube, . Accessed 29 Oct. 2024.



    Because the song "Dixie" was played at Trump's rally during a speaker's entrance and exit, and because that song was widely considered to be an unofficial Confederate national anthem, the claim is true.



    Sources:
    "An American Trilogy." Elvis Presley Official Site, https://elvisthemusiccom-halo.paas-p.smehost.net/music/an-american-trilogy/. Accessed 29 Oct. 2024.
     
    #70     Oct 30, 2024