Natural Gas versus Oil

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by plan, Jun 6, 2009.

  1. Natural Gas's ABC Pattern with Price and Time Cycle Chart...

    Regards,
    Suri

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    #21     Jun 11, 2009
  2. And this is what is happening with the USO as well. Due to the contango configuration of the market, each time the Fund sells the front month and rolls into the next month, they wind-up losing another $3.00 on the spread.

    Some of these ETF's like the USO are like a freaking Ponzi scheme... AND they even tell specs when they are going to roll too.

    Just outrageous!
     
    #22     Jun 11, 2009
  3. Papa,

    They start "rolling" into the August tomorrow ( June 12th ) for the next 4 days right?

    Roll Dates*

    June 12, 2009 through June 17, 2009

    * "Roll Dates are projected and subject to change without notice. Roll Dates are defined as the dates on which the Benchmark Futures Contract are expected to begin changing from the current closest to expire contract month to the next closest to expire contract month. The change occurs over four days."


    Looks like people are already front-running this "roll".
    :D
     
    #23     Jun 11, 2009
  4. CET

    CET

    I was just thinking the same thing about the roll. They need to stop telling when they plan to roll. UNG is supposed to begin rolling tomorrow, but if they did not do it today into this volume they should be shot.
     
    #24     Jun 11, 2009
  5. Cutten

    Cutten

    They should do the opposite of what they say, and try to profit from front-running.
     
    #25     Jun 12, 2009
  6. Probably a pretty simple question, but is there a convential formula for calculating the difference between CL - NG? Is there a way to calculate them on an energy equivelant basis?
     
    #26     Jun 16, 2009
  7. That gap has widened to a ratio of 17 to 1 ($72,23-$4,226= $68,04 a very wide spread) or $4,226 x 17= $71,84.
     
    #27     Jun 16, 2009
  8. auspiv

    auspiv

    energy equivalent basis is 6:1
     
    #28     Jun 16, 2009
  9. thanks auspiv, is that 6 natty or crude?
     
    #29     Jun 17, 2009
  10. Bailamos

    Bailamos

    do you mean Oil-to-gas ratio which is around 17 now?

    Although it's higher than historical level but seems natural gas deserves this discount as fundamentals remain so weak.

    Watch for the storage report today. Consensus is expecting between a 95-115 bcf injection.
     
    #30     Jun 18, 2009