National Emergency

elderado · Jan 8, 2019

By the way, anyone catch Juan Williams in the snowflake suit she said Jesse Watters gave him for Christmas? Hysterical!

https://www.shinesty.com/products/white-snowflake-winter-blazer

TreeFrogTrader · Jan 8, 2019

UsualName said:
Trump doesn’t even claim numbers you claim and there is no basis for it. Border apprehensions are down about 80% from their peak under Bush.
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Well then you and Trump need to up your understanding.

Fifty thousand a month is about par for known border apprehensions of late- varying up or down ten thousand by month per the reported data. And then the border patrol acknowledges that they only get about a third to a half of those actually crossing. Do the math.

You think the border patrol is getting every one crossing? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

TreeFrogTrader · Jan 8, 2019

elderado said:
I know it's really a stretch but I would absolutely love it if he wears this outfit tonight for real!
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He is lookin good.

And his choice for a tie goes great with the suit.

I only wish that we could see the shoes in the photo.

TJustice · Jan 8, 2019

This is Tjustice.
Thank you for the discourse.
but I still wish to know...
what you meant by...
"Political disagreements must be resolved via the legislative process." Then I was hoping you would apply that stand to Obama's executive orders on Obamacare and Immigration.

Were there not political disagreements?
I don't really think that is the standard for the constitutionality of executive orders.

piezoe said:
jem, I don't know enough to comment on those specific orders. If you will give me the specific order number you are interested in, they are available within the Wiki article, I will read them and attempt to comment if I find I have an opinion one way or another. You must know that I would like to see Presidential power somewhat diminished. The sad reality is our Congress has often been, since Gingrich, in such disarray whenever we have a divided houses, that they can't get much done, and in particular under these circumstances, it's nearly impossible for them to muster the votes to override a President's veto.

Executive orders, which are not mentioned directly in the Constitution but inferred by the President's duty to see that the laws "be faithfully executed," are a responsibility of the President and by extension, the Agency Heads. They are needed for day to day smooth functioning of the Federal Agencies. When the President issues executive orders, it is inferred, by the power given to the President to ask for the agency head's opinions in writing, that the president will generally do so.

Executive orders are not laws, but directives that should at all times remain within the confines of any pertaining laws. The courts have made it abundantly clear that executive orders may not contradict Constitutional or Statutory law. Where there is a reasonable question Re how a law should be interpreted, or put into practice by the agencies, the chief administrator, i.e., the President, might offer guidance via executive order. Sometimes, where the law is silent, the President might intervene via executive order in the interest of deciding how an agency should handle a situation that had not been previously contemplated. Such an order might even have the appearance of statutory law, but it would not be, as the President may not make laws. Thus Congress could intervene with either a statutory law that confirms the Administrative branches decision or overrules it. The Congress, or any party with standing, can also go to court if it believes the Administration has issued an order that violates existing Constitutional or statutory law.

If the Executive acts, as it were, ultra vires, and issues an executive order that violates existing law and there is no timely challenge, the order may be allowed to stand and even be put into practice for a considerable time. In that case, a serious conflict could arise later. It is by this means, I suppose, that the Executive Branch might appear to have made new law; shall we call it "executive law?" Such ersatz 'law' would remain on loose footing, and would always be subject to challenge by the legislative branch or anyone harmed by such an executive order who might therefore demonstrate standing.

Naturally the smooth running of government agencies requires a more or less constant stream of executive orders for situations not previously contemplated within either Constitutional or Statutory law. (When we make our laws it is impossible to anticipate everything in advance.) I suppose it is in the nature of a particular administration whether the bulk of executive decisions are handled at the agency level or in the oval office. Something is wrong in my opinion, if they are more often the latter. This would usually depend, I suppose, on how hands-on a particular President is. That might reflect how competent Agency Heads are, as viewed from above... but it could equally reflect how competent a President is. An incompetent President might not recognize competence in the agency heads, or worse, due to his own incompetence, might appoint even less competent agency heads. The only check on incompetence prior to a President's taking office is given to the people directly. After an incompetent President takes office, however, the only check is given to the Congress, or the Cabinet.
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destriero · Jan 8, 2019

vanzandt said:
IRS just said returns will be issued with or without shutdown.
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That must be awesome news for you! Go to Walmart for the EZ filing and you'll be livin' in high cotton!

UsualName · Jan 8, 2019

TreeFrogTrader said:
Well then you and Trump need to up your understanding.

Fifty thousand a month is about par for known border apprehensions of late- varying up or down ten thousand by month per the reported data. And then the border patrol acknowledges that they only get about a third to a half of those actually crossing. Do the math.

You think the border patrol is getting every one crossing? NOT EVEN CLOSE.
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You better hurry up and @trump on Twitter before the speech then. Make sure you use your neonazi handle and your bologna numbers will make it to prime time.

TreeFrogTrader · Jan 8, 2019

UsualName said:
You better hurry up and @trump on Twitter before the speech then. Make sure you use your neonazi handle and your bologna numbers will make it to prime time.
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Viewers will note that the Tard properly crabwalks away from the border crossing numbers that I presented.

There is a reason for that. My assertion is correct.

piezoe · Jan 8, 2019

TJustice said:
This is Tjustice.
Thank you for the discourse.
but I still wish to know...
what you meant by...
"Political disagreements must be resolved via the legislative process." Then I was hoping you would apply that stand to Obama's executive orders on Obamacare and Immigration.

Were there not political disagreements?
I don't really think that is the standard for the constitutionality of executive orders.
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Can you give me the executive order number, please. each order has a number associated with it. If you will give me the specific number for the Obama orders you think are most questionable, I will certainly make a point of reading them. These are all available in the wiki article you posted a link to. There are a lot of Orders so I just need to know which specific ones you are interested in. Thanks, jem.

piezoe · Jan 8, 2019

TreeFrogTrader said:
There are over a million illegals crossing the southern border per year. minimum. There are plenty of problems in and related to that.

Nuff said. Unless you are a tard.
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I think whenever anyone posts a startling statistic, such as you just have, that it becomes incumbent on the poster to support their post with a link to its source. Otherwise the post must be assumed to be incorrect.

TreeFrogTrader · Jan 8, 2019

piezoe said:
Can you give me the executive order number, please. each order has a number associated with it. If you will give me the specific number for the Obama orders you think are most questionable, I will certainly make a point of reading them. These are all available in the wiki article you posted a link to. There are a lot of Orders so I just need to know which specific ones you are interested in. Thanks, jem.
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Heh, Piezoe still playing google lawyer.

Had him on ignore for months to avoid all the repetitive posts to share what he just googled.

I take him off ignore and SPRIZE EVERYONE!. Guess what he is doing?

Not sure where he ended out with all of his endless arguments that Canadian case law and statutes should control American court decisions - even though they don't- but hey, I guess he is retired and has time to be an expert/not in all things. Probably does root canals in his garage on the weekend with his laptop open to follow the bouncing ball.