Nat Gas ETFs

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by mrez114, Aug 28, 2009.

  1. #11     Aug 31, 2009
  2. UNG is trading at an 18% PREMIUM to the net asset value as of yesterday's close. GAZ is an ETN ( not an ETF ) that also trades at a significant PREMIUM to NAV.

    There are so many people that have bought these two products without having a clue what they actually represent.

    Sheer idiocy.
     
    #12     Sep 2, 2009
  3. zdreg

    zdreg

    #13     Sep 2, 2009
  4. bid4pk

    bid4pk

    NAT gas is a tough trade. It's hard to say what a "good" ETF on it would be.
     
    #14     Oct 27, 2009
  5. Chagi

    Chagi

    There are a pair of Natural Gas ETFs that are traded on the TSX, double leveraged. HNU is double beta positive, HND is double beta inverse.
     
    #15     Oct 27, 2009
  6. UNG and GAS should be used as intraday only. Overnite action correlation is not there. Example if (NG)natural gas goes up buy amount "X" the pre-market and open price will be off buy a couple of percentage points. The best time I have noticed is to catch them during FND/LTD contract rolovers which is usually a couple days. Long term these products will be ground down to zero. I.E. USO is trading well below the spot price of a barrel of WTI crude.

    Akuma
     
    #16     Oct 30, 2009
  7. How about creating your own ETF of natural gas co's like Cheasapeake or Anadarko etc....natural gas companies.


     
    #17     Nov 1, 2009
  8. nebulous

    nebulous

    I feel like adding a little to the etf conversation - just info, not making any call on n.gas direction.

    All the etfs tracking front month are still subject to a lot of decay during contango which makes them a poor play aside from short term. HNU/HND on TSX - 2x leverege with good volume are nice for intraday trading again, but not great ideas longer term (the decay is big in HNU right now, plus currency hedges effect performance). If you like playing with fire, you may be able to figure out a way to profit from contango through HND. GAS is a 1x leveraged fund on front month AECO gas (Alberta contracts) - this gives it some funny tracking characteristics if you're trying to play nymex spot, and contango is still a suck.

    There is an ETF on the TSX called HUN - its a longer term 1x leveraged fund on n.gas - I have it in my head that its year forward jan contracts rolled in nov, but you'd have to look up and confirm. If you want a directional bet on n.gas for a length of time, this is a reasonable play (doesn't suffer from contango or leverage degridation). HUN looks like it does no volume, but it has dedicated mm algo so you can always move 10k blocks within a few cent spread.

    One other option coming up, if looking for a corporate pure play, is the nat gas half of Encana being spun out.
     
    #18     Nov 2, 2009
  9. jmoo

    jmoo

    Take a look at SJT, tracks natty very well, no futures rolling issues, high expenses etc.
     
    #19     Nov 3, 2009