Nassim Taleb Makes Billions and Attacks Richard Dawkins

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by marketsurfer, May 11, 2009.


  1. no question. good points. most fund managers talk their book, from soros to the little guys-- if given the chance.

    surf
     
    #61     May 13, 2009
  2. Sushi

    Sushi

    Who is talebs PR people?
     
    #62     May 14, 2009
  3. Corey

    Corey

    For a man who talks all day about our inability to predict, he sure does make a lot of predictions...
     
    #63     May 14, 2009

  4. apparently he acted on the predictions making a world class fortune...

    surf:D
     
    #64     May 14, 2009
  5. Corey

    Corey

    Perhaps he himself is now being fooled by randomness...
     
    #65     May 14, 2009
  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Obviously I meant Empirica...

    "Taleb DID bleed theta on his options trades. His hedge fund had the same PnL as a fund that goes out and buys a boatload of lottery tickets every month, telling investors that their lucky break is comming any minute now.

    My understanding on Taleb's HF was that investors didn't like the monthly bleed while they were waiting for that tail event payoff. Taleb was basically buying insurance, and that's not free."

    Anyhow, others already explained the rest...

    For extra credit:

    " So after the fund starting grinding out losses, Nassim started calling his fund a 'hedge', not a fund, later, a 'laboratory'. Now he says about the fund:

    `Our aim was not to make money,'' Taleb says. ``I make no claims of being able to beat markets.'

    But he makes sure any article that mentions his fund notes he made 60% in 2000. The only record of his total fund was a WSJ article on him in 2007, which notes he lost money in 2001 and 2002, made single digits in 2003 and 2004. That averages out to around 12%, and as the risk free rate was about 4% over that period, and the volatility was probably around 17% on a monthly basis, thats a Sharpe of 0.47. Not so good. And that's with his unaudited returns, so it's probably biased high (people have a tendency to round unaudited results upward significantly)."
     
    #66     May 14, 2009

  7. :D

    surf:D
     
    #67     May 14, 2009
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    #68     May 14, 2009
  9. sjfan

    sjfan

    Of course he's bleeding theta. That's the whole point isn't it. Looks like the investors didn't do asset allocations right. Funds like Empirica - and there are several - aren't suppose to make a steady x% a year; they are supposed to make nothing, and then do great when every one else is in the crappers. Several of them (not run by taleb) did extremely well last year. Bloomberg had a few articles about it.

    But I will agree that since it was shut down, we'll never know whether that fund truly had alpha or not.

     
    #69     May 14, 2009
  10. funds like nt's are designed for a very small percentage of ones capital. this is not old lady investing or IRA buying--- the ultra rich and some institutions allocate a small percentage to these "get richer fast" products with the full knowledge of the downside.

    surf
     
    #70     May 14, 2009