NASDAQ Stocks - Bid-Ask and Slippage experience

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by gmst, May 16, 2013.

  1. d08

    d08

    For intraday I'd go with IQFeed but for EOD, believe it or not - Yahoo Finance. No data source is without errors and you probably need to consider the price too. Yahoo is backadjusted for splits and dividends, the only free provider to currently do so.
     
    #11     May 17, 2013
  2. Bob111

    Bob111

    d08 posts on liquidity and spreads are spot on. but if you want to dig down even further-i would suggest you to record live data,store it and analyze it. lot of work,but.. as for fill-that would be totally different story. also depends in liquidity and size. i'm trading 1/4 of my size per stock from 2010 levels. keep in mind-you not going to have problems with fills for losing trades.

    another way-since you mentioned IQ-you can download their tick data and use it,to see (or backtest) spreads\fills
    don't know what fields they provide now(cause in tick request they use to provide last trade+size and prices on bid and ask(but no sizes on each side). better than nothing and can be useful.

    but bottom like-there is no way to predict the spread at first 30 min of open(cause it's changing all the time). specially on low volume stocks.
    it can stay wide for a very long time. i'm talking about 0.5-1% and higher
     
    #12     May 17, 2013
  3. gmst

    gmst

    Yes, going to store the live data. Not going to have problems for fills on losing trades. Great to know! :D

    About execution, I am going to start research with the assumption that I would be buying ask and selling bid. My reasoning for not trying to be bidding at bid comes from the stories I have heard. Like when price is going to go up, some HFT will subpenny me and get filled and I won't get filled if I am bidding at bid. However, if I cross the spread, I will hopefully have a much higher chance of getting filled.

    Do you think this approach makes sense or am I better off in bidding at bid, offering at ask and waiting?

    Which data source do you use? Do you think historical data of IB for stocks is completely useless and can't be used for research? I found historical data from IB for futures was quite ok.

    0.5-1% crazy. Thanks it is very useful to know. Having traded only most liquid futures, this low liquidity stock game is a completely new thing. And I have a nagging feeling that I am going to burn myself in the first few months.
     
    #13     May 17, 2013
  4. Bob111

    Bob111

    you are assuming worse case(which is always a good thing). if after that you still profitable-then you can always try to buy at bid.
    as we speak-i was trying to buy at ask some s**ty stock-six times i hit buy at ask and 6 times someone is on front of me,buying those shares. how about that? 6 TIMES IN THE ROW! buy at ask.no fill. zero shares. stock shoot straight up 7% against me.
     
    #14     May 17, 2013
  5. gmst

    gmst

    Only one word - fcuking crazy. I can see you must be so upset. Probably in this case, using a mkt order would have gotten you in the position, its hard to test these kinds of various order fill assumptions in a backtest.

    It seems that simply there is no substitute for experience in this field of stock trading.
     
    #15     May 17, 2013
  6. Bob111

    Bob111

    yes. and things are pretty bad right now. stock market is drying and dying.try small first. if it working-slowly increase the size.
    keep eye on your fill ratio. keep eye on size of positions between losers and winners(specially on low volume\liquidity stocks)
    you don't want to have 1/3 of the your size for winner and 100% for loser all the time. if you have this situation multiple times-this mean your size is too big.
     
    #16     May 17, 2013
  7. gmst

    gmst

    Very useful to know. Thanks for the tip on gaining information about size from fill ratio. Appreciate it. :)
     
    #17     May 17, 2013
  8. ofthomas

    ofthomas

    if you are going to cross, you can always do IOC...
     
    #18     May 17, 2013
  9. gmst

    gmst

    IOC = immediate or cancel?

    Thanks for tip. Never used this before. Do you use this order type. What is the benefit of using this order type?
     
    #19     May 17, 2013
  10. does anyone notice any differences in experiencing slippage between different trading platforms? any recommendations?
     
    #20     May 21, 2013