this about sums up the "global warming" debate ... the only relevant data is the data that supports Al Gore's crack-pot idea, and justification to confiscate trillions of wealth and raise the feds up as lords among peasants
"the planet is fine... the PEOPLE are fucked!" -- george carlin al gore aint stupid, he is just a smart businessman
Okay guys, Allow me some time to find tables how ice / water density changes with temperature and the necessary physics formulae. Some geophysics data like the oceans surface, etc should be readily available in the internet, but I need your help to find out how much ice is below and how much ice is above the sea level. The total ice on earth is 25 000 000 km³ (6 000 000 mi³ or 1.8% of all water reserves). I am pretty sure that when we do this little excercise we will be able to prove that the sea level will not rise at all and maybe will even drop. If someone was good at physics in school (I was not ) then give me a hand. How is your head bigdavediode?
Greenland was NOT ice-free. And you think people in 1000 were tracking worldwide sea levels? Seriously? All Greenland inhabitants have clung to the coastal area for a LONG time. I am afraid that evidence means little to an individual like yourself, but note these facts about Greenland, particularly the 2-mile long ice cores going back 100,000 years, and the estimate of melting Greenland (7 meters, I was incorrect about 7 feet). Responding with ignorance will pretty much clinch opinions on you, so think carefuly before using your keyboard: All towns and settlements of Greenland are situated along the ice-free coast. If the Greenland ice sheet were to completely melt away, sea level would rise by more than 7 m (23 ft) and Greenland would most likely become an archipelago. Between 1989 and 1993, U.S. and European climate researchers drilled into the summit of Greenland's ice sheet, obtaining a pair of 3 km (2 mi) long ice cores. Analysis of the layering and chemical composition of the cores has provided a revolutionary new record of climate change in the Northern Hemisphere going back about 100,000 years
This is a Democratic problem...a majority of coastal population vote democratic. If the coasts go under water, the question is: Do the Democrats have the intelligence to go to higher ground? From what we saw in Katerina , the answer is NO!
Of course people have clung to the costal area. What can you do on an island? You can only be a fisherman or a robber / conqueror, like Vikings were. Of course, because Greenland is no longer the green land now. It is the ice land now. Who told you that the sea level would rise by 7m? CNN? Al Gore? Yet another politician? Or a company that wants to profit on the CO2 crap? The density of ice is 900 kg/m3, the density of water is 1000 kg/m3. There is no fucking way the sea level can rise in view of how H20 behaves with temperature changes. What does this revolutionary new record prove (except for that there might have been ice in the part of Greenland that Vikings did not visit) according to you? Regards
At the end of the day, it's so hard to know which side to believe in the climate change debate. On the one hand, you have dedicated scientists who have devoted their lives to studying the field. And on the other hand, you have the flag-waving, gun-toting, bible-thumping, anti-intellectual Republican creationists whose argument is so persuasively presented by a select group of high school science teachers. Why does it have to be so hard?
Either you can engage in political spin and groupthink, doused with hyperbole, or you can just examine the facts. I can tell which one you're in to. For a more thorough investigation of the facts, here's a link that is a start. http://townhall.com/columnists/MarkWHendrickson/2009/05/25/a_closer_look_at_climate_change A few salient facts include: The vice chair of the ipcc thinks that the global warming scare is baloney. A member of the ipcc review panel says that there is NO evidence of a link between temp and gases like co2. The ipcc is 2500 scientists, many of which don't even agree with the findings (as noted above, the vice chair), but a skeptics group has over 31000 scientists who have signed, that DO agree. Rule 3 of IPCC procedures states: âDocuments should involve both peer review by experts and review by governments.â In other words, <b>it's a political document</b>, as <s>many of us</s> republicans already knew.
Hi Thunderdog, It doesn't have to be difficult. At the very basic level this is no rocket science. Please do the ice-water-glass experiment I suggested. Next time you see Al Gore and his CO2 crap, just turn off your telly. Try to recollect what you were taught in your elementary school on geography lessons. During Carboniferous - Jurassic period there was less oxygen in the atmosphere and more CO2 than now. Thanks to this CO2 plants flourished. There were more plants at that time than now! Why? because of CO2. Plants need CO2 to grow. They do not need oxygen. They need CO2 (you know it from biology lessons; it is called photosynthesis). Now what happens? Human beings dig out these transformed plants as carbon, oil and gas. They burn them and release CO2. Humans do not produce CO2, as Al Gore wants you to believe. This CO2 has always been on this planet. Even if you burn all carbon and gas reserves of the Earth you will still not exceed the level of CO2 that was during the Jurassic period! This is logically not possible. If someone claims the opposite, he / she is insulting his / her brain. Was the Earth flooded in Carboniferous - Jurassic period? Could plants not live at that time on Earth? Could organisms not live at that time on Earth? Of course not! The more CO2 the better for the planet. The Earth is a well lubricated and balanced environment. If the arctic and antarctic ice starts to melt greatly, you will have greater humidity, more precipitations (like it was the case during Jurassic period). The excess of humidity will in turn result in greater precipitations over the poles thus increasing the non-under water ice. No way the sea level will increase Next time you see a green activist claiming that CO2 is bad for the environment recollect your biology lessons on photosythesis and geography lessons on life booming during Carboniferous - Jurrasic period. You will know that the good-natured green activist was tricked by Al Gore and tries to trick you.