My option trades

Discussion in 'Options' started by ryanpatrick, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. What symbol are you trading/quoting?

    Don
     
    #721     Mar 7, 2012
  2. QQQ
     
    #722     Mar 7, 2012
  3. OK, so you want to sell 64 calls and buy 65 calls for a few cents. What happens if QQQ goes to 66 or 63? What happens if it stays between 64 and 65?

    Simple way to analyze this, right.

    You have 5 minutes, and no calculators allowed, LOL.

    Don
     
    #723     Mar 7, 2012
  4. Right! I already did. Which is why I´m holding off. Too dangerous.
     
    #724     Mar 7, 2012
  5. Not good enough, you have so show your work with examples.


    Don :D
     
    #725     Mar 7, 2012
  6. Don Bright

    WOW! Interesting question Don. I must show my work. That comes under the heading of proprietory secrets. ( grin )

    But I will go along, based on the premise, I´ll show you mine and you show me yours, to figure the odds on the unpredictable.

    In a same month of trading credit spreads, I like to be out 6 strikes at the beginning of the month OTM. The odds of not getting hit, are I forget now, but very good. Often in the OEX you would not get hit if you were even 5 strikes out in a same month. As the month progresses, you can start narrowing the distance. For this weekly, same weekly, you can do a credit spread from Wednesday to Thursday based on RULE OF THUMB 2 % distance for a market move. Since I´m trading the QQQ now, that is 2% of 64 = 1.28 + 64 = or 65.28.
    Using that rule of thumb, I can trade a weekly if I am two strikes OTM. Should there be premiums available. This is 1.30 a.m. There were no premiums available at strike 66 for safety yesterday afternoon, a Wednesday afternoon. So skip the trade, until Thursday afternoon, when the percentage of market swing narrows some more, on average in probabilities. Rule of thumb quick and dirty, I would trade a credit spread on a Thursday afternoon, if I could get premium at two strikes OTM. For expiration at noon the next day on Friday.
    The second weekly starting this Friday, I would look for a three strike out OTM credit spread to do on the Friday. And of course if I could get 4 strikes out, I would build in an extra margin of safety. But would accept 3 strikes OTM.
    I would be looking for .35 cents to .25 cents, no less than .25 cents per contract.
    In the case of this market, we are in a complex situation. I show we are in an intermediate downtrend, while we are in a longer uptrend. So I figure the market is going sideways, for my two day time period. I would want 2 strikes OTM this Thursday in the morning for .25 cents or more. The premiums were not there yesterday at these strikes. So no trade.
     
    #726     Mar 8, 2012
  7. In the meantime, I am holding two contracts

    2 May QQQ -68- PUTS @ $4.76

    Using my own method. Unfortunately I got in a little early on this and didn´t wait for certain qualifiers. So now I have a bet going down, but the market is going sideways. Which means the odds are not too strong on my bet. In this I´m a pattern trader.

    Plan B is to wait for my qualifier if it occurs and double up the bet.

    Plan C is to close and reverse, if the market goes UP. Take a bet the other way.

    Betting philospy:

    The reason for the bet, ( that terrible buying ) is that the rewards when right, are much better than any other spread strategy. Also I have no problem with closing and reversing the trade if I´m wrong. Taking a quick loss. I´m rather disappointed with myself for jumping the gun on this bet though.
     
    #727     Mar 8, 2012
  8. This is why I asked. I worried that you were being too complicated. Just say "at $64 I make/lose xx, at 63, same, at 65 same, way up, way down" - just an exercise in visualization of expiration to show yourself how gammas and deltas work, and overall P&L.

    Don't start thinking about market direction, just be aware of where you would stand with movement.

    Don
     
    #728     Mar 8, 2012
  9. Ryan

    The shotgun killer of earnings options.

    Whats the equity balance you have now Ryan? I got a daughter interested in using your method. Behavioral trading.
     
    #729     Mar 9, 2012
  10. Initially I read "I got a daughter interested in you..."

    HAHAHAHAHA
     
    #730     Mar 9, 2012