My option trades

Discussion in 'Options' started by ryanpatrick, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    skew doesn't have anything to do with it. Even 1 year options have gamma. So if there is earnings move expected it will be priced as a decrease in implied vol. Since there is less gamma in a 1 year, the vega pnl will be less (as will the gamma loss) compared to a 1 month option. Unfortunately, to make the same amount of money, you will have to trade more of the longer dated contracts which adds other costs (bid/offer, etc).

    You should be able to determine where vol will settle after earnings. If you can't do that, avoid trading earnings.
     
    #1131     Mar 25, 2012
  2. GOOG used to have a great upside skew. IIRC the 100-point OTM risk-reversal traded +3.00 to the call (can't recall R/R in vol-basis). You could sell the bull-straddle with LIBOR at 400bp and make a decent buck on the skew and the forward. I picked up 40 handles in one series in 4 months time over two reports.
     
    #1132     Mar 25, 2012
  3. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    When was that? In 2005-2006? or in 2009 when you were selling the leaps? I haven't looked GOOG skew in a while.

    AAPL used to have it in 2007-2008. Used to buy skew as a downside hedge. It's like that again...
     
    #1133     Mar 25, 2012
  4. I've done them as late at 2010, but yeah, it was probably earlier. There was a juicy one in 2008-9 as rates imploded. I recall the R/R was 300 over when GOOG was at $450-70/share.
     
    #1134     Mar 25, 2012
  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Unfortunately I missed that. I remember in mid 2009, you would see upside index vol reset up as the market was rallying. Selling that GOOG would have been juicy.
     
    #1135     Mar 25, 2012
  6. Interesting reading your war stories on trading.


    I´ve got enough on my plate to chew on for a few days and absorb. Doesn´t sound like from all the expertise, that there are any guarantees.

    Did get the calendar in finally this Sunday on an old paper trading TOS account. Think I´ll leave it be and wait the week out and see what happens, rather than repeat the trade Monday in my cash account.

    I´ve been thinking I should try a LEAP trade. Planning on a three month horizon and see what happens? Did it once two years ago with an heating oil company and it returned 80%. I thought that was great.

    I was kind of wondering if a STRADDLE would work using LEAPS? Especially if you treated it like a range bound type trade, or in the case of GREEK style trading, selling off, or buying back on either side appropriately.
     
    #1136     Mar 25, 2012
  7. I posted it here in r/t, IIRC. I'll try to find it.
     
    #1137     Mar 25, 2012
  8. The only way I currently know of doing that is looking at the implied move and calculating the realized vol based on such a move as an estimate for where IV will fall to

    Am I right in doing that?

    Atticus previously said (in the case of a butterfly vs a straddle) that he'd trade less contracts (to get the same amount of risk exposure) with a leaps straddle vs a near term butterfly.

    However, you're saying I need to sell more of long term contracts (is that correct?)

    I know I'm missing something here. Could you guys' clarify that for me?

    Oh and isnt vega PnL going to be greater for Leaps? vega is larger for further out expirations...

    :confused:
     
    #1139     Mar 25, 2012
  9. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Fascinating. I had no idea that the stock traded like that. The first time I ever traded GOOG in size was April 2008 earnings. I got the idea out of the Economist. Earnings priced 6% but there was a lot of controversey around their click rates and comscore data. Someone was going to be very wrong.
     
    #1140     Mar 25, 2012