My OPTION TRADES..... part 2

Discussion in 'Options' started by Put_Master, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. <<< PM, upon re-evaluating this call idea with your put sells,
    I would have to say its a bad idea.
    You are so amazingly accurate in your put selling, that the incredible sloppyness of straight call buying would be an insult to your accuracy and methodology.
    This makes no sense to experience this kind of worry and drawdown when your original put sell was doing just fine.
    I believe now, after running this test example of your last trade, it isn't worth the risk of buying calls.... Jeff >>>

    Thank you for taking the time to analyze my trade, and sharing your opinion regarding my adjusting my strategy to include buying calls.
    Really appreciate it.
    Time to go back to work looking for puts to sell.
    Hope to have something to share later.
     
    #601     Nov 29, 2012
  2. Sold puts on $27 PAY for Dec.
    Credit $0.45
    Annualized % return.....27%

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=PAY&t=2y&l=on&z=l&q=b&c=

    Stock is reasonably priced at my $27 strike, with a BE price of $26.55.
    otm safety cushion.... 11%
    My main issue with the company is it's debt load. They are able to meet their debt obligations with no problems, but I'd like there to be more of a safety cushion.
    However, given that this is a 3 week trade, it's not that big of a concern.
    However, be aware they report earnings about a week before the contract expires.
     
    #602     Nov 29, 2012
  3. While I do think INTC is a decent buy at current level, I wouldn't buy until I see some sign that the market agrees. May I ask what you see in the chart that indicates it is "crying out, I'm going up?"
     
    #603     Nov 29, 2012
  4. The charts show strong 2 year support at 19, but after today's price action in INTC, I have jumped over to Put Master's camp.
    He says it needs another solid test at 19 and at this point I totally agree with him.
     
    #604     Nov 29, 2012
  5. +1. i aggressive traders could get long above 20.19 (the recent swing high) or conservative traders would wait for a break of the 50 dma and maybe a retrace to it. price has been below the 50 dma since 8/21 when it was about 26.
     
    #605     Nov 30, 2012
  6. I agree with Jeff in his contention that INTC needs to retest 19 to see if that support level will hold. It has tested 19 a couple of times on the two year chart then bounced up for a nice run. It is well on its way to testing 19 again. The question again is, will 19 hold? Yesterday's PA reconfirmed my opinion that I don't want to enter a long position here.
     
    #606     Nov 30, 2012
  7. Hospital Stocks:

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/1036351-....ks?source=yahoo
    http://beta.fool.com/insidermonkey/...how/17626/?ticker=HCA&source=eogyholnk0000001

    Looking for Statistically viable OTM bull put spread:

    HCA:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=HCA+Key+Statistics
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=HCA&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=&ql=1&c=^GSPC
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=HCA&t=2y&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=

    Trade:
    Jan 14 27.5/25.5 bull put spread for a net credit of $40
    Prob = 61%
    Expectation = .61(40) - .31(160) - .08(80) = 24.4 - 49.6 - 6.4 = -31.6

    HMA:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=HMA+Key+Statistics
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=HMA&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&ql=1&c=^GSPC
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&l=off&z=l&q=l&p=&a=&c=&s=HMA&ql=1

    Trade:
    May 7/3 bull put spread for a net credit of $10
    Prob = 73%
    Expectation = .73(10) - .01(390) - .26(180) = 7.3 - 3.9 - 46.8 = -43.4

    UHS:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=UHS+Key+Statistics
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=UHS&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&ql=1&c=^GSPC
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&l=off&z=l&q=l&p=&a=&c=&s=uhs&ql=1

    Trade:
    July 35/30 bull put spread for $40
    Prob = 89%
    Expectation = .89(40) - .02(460) - .09(230) = 35.6 - 9.2 - 20.7 = 5.7

    LPNT
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=LPNT+Key+Statistics
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=5y&s=LPNT&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=&ql=1&c=^GSPC
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=LPNT&t=5y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

    Trade:
    May 30/25 bull put spread for $20
    Prob = 78%
    Expectation = .78(20) - .05(480) - .17(240) = 15.6 - 24 - 40.8 = -49.2

    CYH:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=CYH+Key+Statistics
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CYH&t=5y&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=^GSPC
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CYH&t=5y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

    Trade:
    March 23/28 bull put spread for $20
    Prob = 89%
    Expectation = .89(20) - .01(480) - .10(240) = 17.8 - 4.8 - 24 = -11

    Statistically Best Trade = UHS

    Partial fill this AM at $50.

    (copied from elsewhere)
     
    #607     Nov 30, 2012
  8. My GTC order is already in, to sell a Jan $17.5 put on INTC.
    Stock needs to test $19 to get the credit I desire.
    But I'm not chasing anything.
    If INTC doesn't re-test the support area i think needs re-testing, perhaps another stock will.
    There are enough stocks sectors and stocks within those sectors,... that there is no need to chase anything.
    If INTC doesn't test the support I desire, so I can select the strike and credit I desire,... perhaps another stock will.
     
    #608     Dec 1, 2012

  9. PM,

    Are you thinking .25 to .26 put sell credit when INTC hits 19?
    If it does hit 19, I might very well buy a few Jan 17.5 calls just to see what happens. However I won't take a beating if it keeps dropping. Bracket order with buy limit entry when INTC hits 19 / sell limit at entry +40% / stop at entry -20%.

    Jeff
     
    #609     Dec 2, 2012
  10. My Jan $17.50 INTC order is in for $0.33.
    But stock needs to drop more for my order to get hit.
    I want an annualized % return on my trades, to be in the "teens".

    Off Topic:
    For those who may have missed this a couple of years ago, it's worth a few minutes of your time....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggyhlc5NXlM
     
    #610     Dec 2, 2012