My nq price action method

Discussion in 'Journals' started by slugar, Sep 1, 2013.

  1. slugar

    slugar

    Thanks RN I'm getting better and I think I know when to pull the trigger need to work on strict rules for exiting and study more market profile so I can get better at support and resistance. not a bad day I managed 18.5 points on the nq without trading the big early swing due to some errands I had to run. I will post my chart in a while with my trades plus the ones that should have been taken.
     
    #401     Apr 23, 2014
  2. Redneck

    Redneck

    There is a member; Ammo - hangs out in the ES journal - he uses MP - and is good at it - maybe study some of his posts




    Just don't hindsight it - learn whatever there is to learn - then and move on

    No need beating yourself up over the past

    Good Job Sir

    RN
     
    #402     Apr 23, 2014
  3. slugar

    slugar

    Thanks RN I've been in contact with ammo and he is very willing to help. The trades I mark will be the ones I took and should have when I was away
     
    #403     Apr 23, 2014
  4. slugar

    slugar

    todays trades using the 500 tick
     
    #404     Apr 23, 2014
  5. Redneck

    Redneck

    Before commenting on your chart…, allow me to go off on a little tangent

    Topic;

    When to combine signals / when to keep them separate

    This is theater of the mind..., so work with me here


    The scenario;

    A down move.., containing 3 signals;

    1 - DT
    2 - LH’s - which form a down move TL
    3- PB - in the form of a range - to the down move TL – which ultimately breaks out to the down side

    (initially just think – price is moving down from a newly formed DT)


    We’re watching the chart

    And see a DT form (could be adjacent bars… could be the two DT bars are separated by some number of bars –no matter it’s a potential DT forming)

    We short it – the stop is a breach of this DT (strait forward)

    Now instead…, we miss the above entry and price goes on to create a LL

    Do we trade this as it were a DT – no…,

    Unless price retests and fails at / near the DT – which would equate to equal H’s (for a triple top)… or a LH (price only got near the DT)


    So from the above LL – we’re likely no longer looking for a DT trade…, but instead looking for a LH entry signal

    (and 2 or more LHs can be connected to create a down move TL

    Price creates 2 LHs – which we can short – and our stop is – a breach of this down move (LHs) TL…

    But no longer would it be a breach of the DT – that trade signal has gone and went.., if we didn’t take it initially

    However.., if we had entered short @ the DT – we certainly could use a breach of this down move (LHs) TL as the stop


    Onward

    Price creates.., say 4 move LHs (at a steeper decent than the initial 2 LHs) – then proceeds to PB…, in the form of a range…, to the initial down move (LHs) TL

    While price is in this range;

    Could we use the DT signal or stop – no, we’re way past that – if we didn’t take the DT short initially

    Could we use the down move (LHs) TL – possibly – recall I said price was in a range – pulling back to this down TL

    Could we use a B/O…, to the down side…, out of the range…, as an entry signal – certainly

    Our stop – a breach of the LH (down move) TL / breach of the top of the range (it’s the same)

    Now.., if we had entered the DT short… or the initial down move (LHs) TL – we could also use the same (as described in the last sentence) – breach of the down move (LHs) TL / breach of the top of the range –as the exit


    My point

    We need to constantly distinguish and separate when one signal evolves into the next

    We can use a failure of the current signal as an exit for the previous entry

    But never use a failure of the previous signal…, as an exit.., for the current signal

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    Another way you can “bounce these signals off one another” and read price

    DT = weakness / down bias (price’s bias)
    LH = weakness / down bias
    Range B/O (which btw.., if nothing has changed – then which way should price break out) to the down side = weakness

    Price doing this in a relatively tight channel = lack of volatility / consensus / predominant control

    All that equates to what = down/ weakness/ short it

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    Whether knowingly or not.., today on your frist trade – you used 1 signal to enter (DB)…, then the next signal (breach of the up move (HL) TL) to exit – which is perfectly acceptable

    But did you realize that

    Also – now can you see why I want you to break down that one attachment – the more signals you see in succession – lends credence to what price is doing… and very likely will continuing doing


    Realize though – this is but one of the reasons (there are several).., you need to really understand that attachment I posted

    Hope this makes sense - if not - let's break it down - this is a fundamental to really reading PA imo

    RN
     
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  6. Redneck

    Redneck


    Focusing only on the down move TLs / entries

    I’d say 1.., 2.., 4.., 5.., and 6

    We’re drawn entirely after the fact

    Missed the initial move (thrust) down price made – then it appears keyed off the secondary down move to draw the down TLs


    And if that true – then I must question the validity of shorts – A…, C.., and D






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    Down TL 3 / Short B – I get that one.., no question

    I’ll next focus on the longs

    RN
     
    #406     Apr 23, 2014
  7. Redneck

    Redneck

    Focusing only on the up move TLs

    1 – Not connecting the lows (reference my poorly drawn :p red TL) – entry is fine
    2 – Beautiful line / entry
    3 – Beautiful line / entry


    eta - There is not an overall down TL drawn - which is okay - but realize the bias (hence short signals) stand the best chance

    Not to say going long is not valid... just any long - be prepared to exit quicker / expect less of a favorable move

    RN
     
    #407     Apr 23, 2014
  8. slugar

    slugar

    The reason I didn't mark the initial short was because I wasn't around and I didn't mark any pre market trades. So the 1st short was off a retracement in an obvious down move
     
    #408     Apr 23, 2014
  9. slugar

    slugar

    short c was at resistance and short d was a lower high at the down trend line so I thought it was ok
     
    #409     Apr 23, 2014
  10. Redneck

    Redneck

    Not nitpicking - just observations



    Nothing is obvious - ever (like expecting - nope)


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    On another note - make sure to rest Sir - tomorrow we do it all over again

    :)

    RN
     
    #410     Apr 23, 2014