My ideas to solve the immigration problem

Discussion in 'Politics' started by bigarrow, May 20, 2007.

  1. achilles28

    achilles28

    Its amazing how brainwashed Americans are.

    The same Politicians that deliver endless warnings of fresh terror attacks are the same Politicians who refuse to enforce our border security!!

    Our Government literally sold our security out to Corporate America and Special Interests.
     
    #11     May 20, 2007
  2. Maybe we could get some Americans to sell there citizenship on Ebay. Hey, they don't vote. cheat on there taxes, get out of jury duty, basically some of them are just a parasite on society. Let 'em sell there citizenship to an illegal and they can get the heck out of Dodge. Seems alot of American citizens got a problem with our country.
     
    #12     May 20, 2007
  3. BSAM

    BSAM

    Hmmm.....Now, this is a tough one. Let's see.....in my left hand I'm looking at my roof. In my right hand.....I'm looking at the constitution, the integrity and preservation of the Union. The future stability of the United States.

    (Makes clicking sound with tongue).....Yeah.....I guess you've got a good point there. It's kinda stupid to worry about the minor shi..... Our cheap roofs are way more important.:cool: What the hey dude.....In a few years we'll all be gone anyways, huh?

    Now you guys get up there and get my roof replaced. I want the premium shingles. No, no, wait.....Hold up just a second. I want a metal roof put on. Get out that 26 gauge steel and get busy. And I'm not gonna pay anybody overtime! And if you try to charge me extra, I'll notify the United States Border Patrol. They gotta be good for something.
     
    #13     May 21, 2007
  4. achilles28

    achilles28

    LOL :D
     
    #14     May 21, 2007
  5. LT701

    LT701

    it really is that simple
     
    #15     May 21, 2007
  6. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    like the original poster has already indicated....just like our drug wars this will not solve the problem..we've been trying to enforce drug laws and have dumped a tremendous amount of money and man power to not even so much as curtail the consumption and or supply...it just doesnt work ( the way the laws are right now )..unless of course the laws change...as in much more severe...like death penalty :D
     
    #16     May 21, 2007
  7. LT701

    LT701

    enforcement of the law does not work when you deliberately dont enforce the law

    stop deliberately unenforceing immigration laws, and law enforcement will work
     
    #17     May 21, 2007
  8. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    thats true also to some extent...why do you think the laws arent enforced?? hell it used to be not ok to be smoking pot on the street..nowadays it might just be ok in some parts of the country..where they look the other way...if they would try to enforce it it would be at an astronimcal cost and manpower...just an example which may not be the case...in ur state.
     
    #18     May 21, 2007
  9. LT701

    LT701

    pot smoking is *dramatically* lower in the middle class vs the 1970s. back then it was ubiquitous, now, almost non existent

    while i have some constitutional issues with the employer drug testing that started in 1987, there's no question it worked

    many people thought 'i've busted my ass to get through college and get this job, i'm not throwing it away for pot'

    so millions of 40 something professionals, who smoked pot during youth, havent for 20 years - you dont ever hear about it, because those who quit dont want to be associated with pot, something now loooooooong past for them

    it worked
     
    #19     May 21, 2007
  10. Arnie

    Arnie

    Here's why they don't wnat to do anything about it.



    The Earnings Suspense File: Social Security's "Secret Stash"
    "Money from Nowhere" Fattens Government Accounts


    By Martin H. Bosworth
    ConsumerAffairs.Com

    February 22, 2006
    Identity Theft

    Have you ever wondered what happens to all the money collected for Social Security that beneficiaries don't get?

    What happens to the money assigned to people using false identities, or names matched with the wrong Social Security Number (SSN), or newlyweds who forgot to register their name changes with the Social Security administration?

    The answer lies in a little-known aspect of the Social Security behemoth known as the Earnings Suspense File (ESF).

    The ESF has become a hotbed for debate over everything from immigration rights to identity theft, as it continues to accrue money at roughly $6 billion a year, with the total as of 2005 sitting at $519 billion.

    As MSNBC reporter Bob Sullivan put it in an interview with ConsumerAffairs.Com, the ESF is part of a "grand mystery," wherein money seems to disappear. But where does the money come from, what happens to it, and why isn't more being done about the problem?

    Unmatched Earnings
    The Earnings Suspense File was established to collect Social Security earnings reports from filers with mismatched names and SSNs, while the Social Security Administration (SSA) attempts to track down the filers' identities, usually through contacting the businesses they work for.

    According to a new Government Accountability Office (GAO) report on the usage of SSNs, the ESF contained 250 million records as of December 2004. (That's nearly as many records as there are people living in the United States currently.)

    The GAO report stated that a disproportionate number of unmatched earnings reports come from industries such as "eating and drinking establishments and construction," and that, "a small portion of employers also account for a disproportionate number of ESF reports."

    The report alludes to the fact that many unmatched earnings reports come from individuals using false SSNs, or legitimate SSNs that have been stolen and resold for undocumented workers to use.

    Because the file is comprised of inaccurate earnings reports, it's impossible to estimate how many reports are added because of inaccuracies such as misspelled or mismatched names, and how many come from genuine cases of SSN-based identity fraud.

    SSA spokesman Mark Hinkle told Congress in Nov. 2005 that the lack of identifying information on workers claiming benefits makes it impossible to discern who actually is entitled to what.

    "We don't have any breakdown simply because in a lot of cases we can't tell," Hinkle said. "All we know at our end is it doesn't match. Until somebody comes forward, we simply don't know."

    The ESF received a huge jolt in earnings from a measure ironically designed to curb the spread of undocumented labor. The Immigration Reform and Control Act was passed in 1986, mandating that employers demand some form of identification and penalizing those businesses which hired illegal immigrants.

    The result was a sharp increase in multiple filings using the same number, usage of fake numbers, and a booming business in trading stolen or fraudulent Social Security numbers.

    Roadblocks
    The usage of fake or stolen Social Security numbers for illegal immigrants would seem to be an issue of national concern. However, solving the problem is even more difficult than tracking the causes.

    The Social Security Administration counts its total intake -- including monies placed in the suspense file -- for its earnings reports.

    If the undocumented workers using fake SSNs suddenly started claiming the benefits they were due, the total Social Security surplus would have to be recalculated, leading to a greater possibility of the fund drying up.

    As it is, the current records of Social Security contributions from undocumented workers vary wildly, with figures anywhere from three to six percent representing their contributions per year.

    The usage of the Social Security number as a "national identifier" makes it a prime target for identity thieves and fraudsters. More than a driver's license or birth certificate, having an SSN gives anyone a chance to get into the work force, get a credit card, and so on.

    The Houston Chronicle reported on the ease with which undocumented immigrants can find "false ID kits" on the black market, including counterfeit Social Security cards, driver's licenses, and birth certificates.

    It's also nearly impossible to change your Social Security number unless you've already been a victim of identity theft, fraud, or can demonstrate a serious risk of physical harm from others having access to your number.

    However, the Social Security Administration and other government agencies such as the IRS have been slow to address the issue of SSN-related identity theft, and individuals sharing the same number.

    An individual who finds out they are sharing a Social Security number with someone else can't look at that individual's credit file, according to credit agencies such as Equifax. Doing so would violate the other individual's privacy.

    Many major banks also refuse to disclose instances of multiple individuals using the same number, citing privacy concerns.

    Credit reporting agencies create "sub-files" for individuals with differing names but similar or identical SSN's. These "sub-files" are available to business requesters, such as landlords, lenders, merchants, and so on.

    Consumers cannot access "sub-file" reports, and business credit reports often have very different -- and more thorough -- records on a consumer than their own credit report.

    Government agencies also have strict rules that prohibit the disclosure of Social Security numbers to third parties, even to the point of restricting the information they share with each other. Both the GAO and the Social Security Administration's own Inspector General have recommended that the SSA share its records on unverified earnings with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

    According to the Inspector General's April 2005 report, "Although SSA continues to coordinate with DHS on immigration issues, it does not routinely share information regarding egregious employers who submit inaccurate SSNs� In our opinion, any serious plan to address SSN misuse and growth of the ESF must allow SSA to share such information with DHS."

    Easy Money
    So why isn't more being done to police the spread of SSN theft? Because there's too much profit to be made from it, and not just by the thieves themselves.

    Big business and major corporations use illegal labor because it's cheap and easily replaceable. If that means turning a blind eye to day laborers using fake or stolen SSN's, it's the price to pay for profit.

    As author Sally Denton sees it, some believe that the United States benefits greatly from maintaining a steady stream of illegal workers into the country.

    "Characteristically, many Americans want it all," Denton has said. "Business wants cheap labor. Consumers want low prices."

    Social Security wins the game through maintaining a small pot of benefits that will never be tapped, because the workers who would receive them cannot report their earnings without fear of deportation.

    Estimates conducted by the SSA's chief actuary, Stephen Goss, revealed that without the taxes levied on earnings in the suspense file, the long-term "funding hole" of the SSA benefit pool would shrink by as much as ten percent.

    The IRS wins because it collects the taxes withheld from fraudulent employee accounts without having to refund any of it, since no tax return is ever filed.

    In short, the earnings suspense file is the jackpot for a very profitable game in which everyone wins -- everyone, that is, except consumers who have been victims of ID theft, and the undocumented immigrants who are forced to use false ID's just to get a start in this country but who are not able to reap any of the benefits that accrue to others who pay into Social Security.

    Bob Sullivan views it as "the government turning a blind eye to identity theft so that big business can get cheap labor." It's impossible to provide a concrete solution to the plague of SSN thefts without addressing the issue of immigration law as well, in his view.

    "Liberals won't go after it because they support immigrant rights. Conservatives won't stop it because they support cheap labor and corporate profit ... there's no constituency" in the issue, he said.

    And meanwhile, there may be as many as 1 in 50 people in America who have someone else sharing their Social Security number, helping the "secret stash" of the Earnings Suspense File to get bigger with each passing year.
     
    #20     May 21, 2007