Multiple systems at the same time

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by elit, Oct 24, 2006.

  1. minmike

    minmike

    Because both of you guys seem to be pretty good on this stuff, when adding systems, would you prefer to add a negativly correlated system, or a system with zero correlation?

    I could see the arguements for either.
     
    #41     Nov 1, 2006
  2. Yeah, this post is pretty darn good.

    Whereas before I had been trading two highly correlated markets using different criteria for taking profits, I am going to have to give this concept a good hard look.

    Best Regards,

    JJ
     
    #42     Nov 1, 2006
  3. I'd do the obvious thing: put together the various possible combinations, try them out, and see how they perform. Why rely on an opinion when you can get experimental results instead?

    (An opinion such as "Negatively correlated systems are always preferable to zero correlated systems" is just an excuse not to experiment, I believe.)
     
    #43     Nov 1, 2006
  4. minmike

    minmike


    Touche. I'm working on creating systems to trade/add. I'm sure it also depends on what systems you have etc. I was looking for direction in what kind of system would be good to add on. I guess I will get to work on building one of each to see which works better!!!
     
    #44     Nov 1, 2006
  5. What I've studied (theory) and what I've seen with years of screen time (real-time) is that the markets (all) work along the following paradigms (I've spent most of my time - 90%+ - with the financials, so I find this model is greatly applicable to them).

    Market Cycles
    Phase 1: Price Consolidation before Accumulation
    Long and Short strategies will work in this type of market.

    Phase 2: Accumulation
    Long strategies only will work

    Phase 3: Price Consolidation before Distribution
    Long and Short strategies will work

    Phase 4: Distribution
    Short strategies only will work
    **
    (see diagram)
     
    #45     Nov 1, 2006
  6. The market (Spooz) is currently in Phase 3, while the Longs are no longer working as effectively as they have been for several months, the market has not turned down just yet (see chart).

    A model such as you have described here (given sufficient work in development) would ideally be able to take advantage of all 4 phases of market action, experiencing losses only when price action becomes too choppy and range bound, so the entry signals of any trading system would also have to take that into consideration.

    Time to go to work.

    Best Regards, :)

    Jimmy Jam
     
    #46     Nov 1, 2006
  7. I like "Things that work and make you happy are preferable to things that fail and make you unhappy." But you can feel free to experiment all you like to test that.
     
    #47     Nov 1, 2006
  8. man

    man

    i would reduce the importance of correlation as a
    concept. the reason is that you add an additional
    layer of abstraction in the mid of your analysis and
    this layer kills some information without adding
    any. by this i mean that the whole markowitz
    efficiency frontier thing, where all this comes from,
    is better used as a financial marketing than a true
    investment tool.
    consider taking two equity curves. each has its
    own stats (return, std, draw downs bla bla). now
    you calculate the correlation and after that you
    take their stats and combine them by using the
    correlations. in principle it sounds fine, but it sucks
    since correlations consists of two very distinct parts
    for you as a trader. the positive correlation in good
    times does not make you worry at all. if the
    market is volatile and you make money on each
    day with your long break out and your short
    breakout strategy, each with a profit target, you
    LOVE that positive corr.

    actually i can cut this short. i do it as horri, i look
    at the strategies and see if their blend has better
    stats than the single strategies. you have a kind of
    corr-embedment by doing so.
     
    #48     Nov 2, 2006
  9. Neither; but both, plus also positive correlation. Think about that. :D
     
    #49     Nov 2, 2006
  10. Haven't you done any backtesting yet? Any briefing of performance summary/ data to share with us? :confused:
     
    #50     Nov 2, 2006