msty thread - YieldMax etf product

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by johnarb, May 16, 2025.

  1. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    Yes.
     
    #141     May 17, 2025
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  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    “Investing” the money in MSTY would be the same as handing it over to a Ponzi scheme runner who pays the promised big returns for a few months and disappears. Very little difference between the two. “Return of Capital” in this case means they are effectively paying the distributions with your invested money.
     
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    #142     May 17, 2025
  3. johnarb

    johnarb

    5 bitcoin 6 months ago at $100k/btc = $500k
    5 bitcoin today at $100k/btc = $500k

    msty 6 months ago was $46/share
    msty today is $23/share
     
    #143     May 17, 2025
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  4. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    Come on J don't go for low hanging fruit in the thumbs up department:) I have gwb on tilt and he's looking for any kind of validation. Anyway you failed to mention the dividend which is the whole point behind MSTY, not capital gains.

    6 months ago

    Start date 15-Nov-2024
    Price 35.31
    Investment $100,000.00
    Shares 2,832
    Unrealized gains/loss -$35,174.17
    Dividends received $47,835.46
    NAV $112,661.29
    Monthly income $6,833.64

    So MSTY wins again even during a downturn! Not only are you up, you would have collected almost 7k a month while you wait for the recovery....bitcoin, MSTR, HD...nada.
     
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    #144     May 17, 2025
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  5. johnarb

    johnarb

    bitcoin does not pay a dividend, neither does Amazon, nor mstr... bad comparison

    bitcoin was $87.4k on Nov 15, today it's $103k, $100k btc investment = $117.85k

    some investments are for income, some investments are for capital appreciation, it is good to have both
     
    #145     May 17, 2025
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's compare the Total Returns of MSTR and MSTY since November 15, 2024.

    MSTR-MSTY-Total-Returns-from-November.jpg
    https://totalrealreturns.com/n/MSTR,MSTY?start=2024-11-15

    Yes, MSTR edges out MSTY --- even in your best selected period when the math is done correctly.
     
    #146     May 17, 2025
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  7. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    You have to compare them because if you're holding a stock that isn't producing dividends, you are losing money all the time relatively.
     
    #147     May 17, 2025
  8. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    Even when you cherry pick short dates to cheat, you can barely eek out a win...if you can even call it that.

    If you go back one year the results are clear...dividends will beat capital gains.

    MSTY

    Start date 17-May-2024
    Price 32.47
    Investment $100,000
    Shares 3,080
    Unrealized gains/loss -$29,504.16
    Dividends received $93,148.75
    NAV $163,644.60
    Monthly income $7,762.40


    BTC

    Price on May17 2024 was 65k
    100k/65k=1.5 btc
    PnL 55k today...so MSTY outperformed Bitcoin over the last year!
     
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    #148     May 17, 2025
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The November 15, 2024 date was the date that you provided.

    Let's look at a start date of May 17, 2024.

    The Total Returns of MSTR are greatly above MSTY during this selected period.


    MSTR-MSTY-May-2024.jpg
    MSTR-MSTY-May-2024-cash.jpg
    https://totalrealreturns.com/n/MSTR,MSTY?start=2024-05-17

    Can I suggest you work on your math.
     
    #149     May 17, 2025
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  10. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    Well I should hope so in a short term rally, but in downturns or sideways markets MSTY will out perform.

    MSTR price $158
    100k/158=632 shares
    Current pnl: 152k but 2 months ago pnl was 51k...so continue to cherry pick lol.
     
    #150     May 17, 2025