MSTR -- To get out or not...

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by The_Krakenite, Feb 26, 2024.

  1. S2007S

    S2007S


    Never will this company ever be in the s&p .....I'm shocked they stuck SMCI in there...
     
    #91     Mar 16, 2024
  2. This reminds me of a couple of other quotes I used to see a lot.

    • Never will Bitcoin be above 10,000.
    • Never will there be a Bitcoin ETF.
     
    #92     Mar 16, 2024
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  3. S2007S

    S2007S

    #93     Mar 16, 2024
  4. johnarb

    johnarb

    It would explain why MSTR shot up on Friday while bitcoin was down big


     
    #94     Mar 17, 2024
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  5. NoahA

    NoahA

    Let me know if this also makes sense. I saw on The Bitcoin Layer, Caitlin Long discussed how she thought or maybe heard that right now, its difficult to hedge out exposure during the day by money makers. They were discussing why the miners go down when bitcoin is going up, and it was suggested that in some way, they were selling the miners as a hedge of some sort. So while everyone expects the miners to go up, they in fact are going down because there is too much selling, but for clearly reasons most would not suspect. I wonder if MSTR could also be used in some complicated and interlinked trade which would make the price do unexpected things.
     
    #95     Mar 17, 2024
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  6. johnarb

    johnarb

    • mstr is farming bitcoins

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    tl;dr (my pov as an ex-bitcoin miner from a long time ago, defi yield farmer ,currently)

    A bitcoin miner may spend a hundreds of millions even a billion $ on infrastructure, buildings, procuring asics, plus the operating costs mainly from cost of energy to run the asics, and cooling, then they earn newly-created bitcoins as rewards plus tx fees

    None of the miners can come close to accumulating 200,000 coins as the bitcoin mining is very competitive

    The buildout may take a long time, due to waiting for hardware to be available from suppliers

    This is not what mstr is doing as mstr is not involved in generating new bitcoins per the mining process...

    As a crypto defi yield farmer, I earn tokens by using our crypto assets, i.e. staking or joining a liquidity pool to earn fees

    When I say mstr is farming bitcoins, it's using the tools of traditional financial system, i.e. issuing debts, selling company shares, or using profits from its business operations to purchase existing bitcoins

    It's been very effective and mstr has acquired more than 200,000 bitcoins to date. They just issued another debt and the demand is overwhelming (oversubscribed) again

    Given the high demand for mstr debt and equities, this will continue, especially since the mstr share price keeps going higher, everyone is rewarded, shareholders and debt buyers, alike

    mstr will continue to farm more bitcoins for their treasury


    Yup! Someone has to try mining for bitcoins before they can appreciate how mstr is gaming the system to acquire so many bitcoins

    And none of the ETF's are a good comparison to mstr since the ETF's do not own the bitcoins but the buyers of the ETF's own the bitcoins

    mstr and bitcoin miners own the bitcoins they acquired

    Bitcoin mining was very easy in the first 4 years, during the time Satoshi was still actively communicating, the reward per block was 50 bitcoins and the network hash was very low unlike today over 600 Million Trillion hashes per second

    and we're about to have the 4th halving making it twice as difficult for the bitcoin miners to acquire the same quantity of bitcoins as they are able to now

    6.25 btc will be reduced to 3.125 btc block reward next month
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2024
    #96     Mar 17, 2024
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  7. NoahA

    NoahA

    Jesus.. another excellent point John! You're absolutely right. The fastest way to accumulate bitcoin right now is borrow USD and buy it. When bitcoin goes up 10x, this trade will have paid off incredibly, but no longer be as attractive to put on anymore. Now is the time to borrow fiat if you're a major corporation and can pull it off. The miners are like turtles in this race. I am having trouble understanding how the miners are a good bet when you consider how competitive this space is.
     
    #97     Mar 17, 2024
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  8. S2007S

    S2007S

    Mstr ceo keeps selling his shares in mstr


    Is it to buy more fairytale bitcoins???
     
    #98     Mar 17, 2024
  9. ph1l

    ph1l

    ETF shareholders, like MSTR shareholders, own the shares, not the coins.
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    #99     Mar 17, 2024
  10. Looks like MSTR took a walloping today.

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    #100     Mar 18, 2024