MSTR as a defined-risk trade for asymmetric risk-reward

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  1. poopy

    poopy

    It seems fantastical that they found someone to underwrite a LOC at 5 handles under Prime AND unsecured. I don't get it.

    Now, there are a bunch of other sources of delta that are far less costly. Why MSTR instead of ETF vol? Why take risk of failure over buying spot?
     
    #271     Oct 31, 2024
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  2. johnarb

    johnarb

    I'm sorry, should have prefaced with I read/heard...

    I'm unqualified to understand the terms of the loan, but others have done so and made those statements

    The terms of the debt convertible offerings do not stipulate liquidation of bitcoin treasury to meet the loan obligations, which probably means they could be forced to do so in a bankruptcy scenario

    But even in the darkest times of bitcoin bear market, I read/heard that mstr was nowhere near being insolvent

    "interest only, until maturity, mstr does ATM when share price has been high to retire old debt or force converts as allowed in the terms"
     
    #272     Oct 31, 2024
  3. For a brief time today, and yesterday I was debating on going long again on MSTR. But instead decided to short more puts on CleanSpark.

    I also went flat on Truth Social to lock in profits. Far too much risk carrying that over the next few days.


    Will be watching the vix more carefully.
     
    #273     Oct 31, 2024
  4. poopy

    poopy

    There is no way that the terms read <1% and unsecured.

    You're referring to the converts?
     
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  5. poopy

    poopy

    The converts are collateralized (2029 repurchase agreement).
     
    #275     Oct 31, 2024
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  6. johnarb

    johnarb

    mstr debt convertibles are the best performing public company debt in the US stock market

    All the top performing bond funds have mstr debt

    120% price appreciation , like a tech stock that's why oversubscribed every single offering and the $21B over 3 years is a message to the future buyers

    So I heard/read, not qualified to do bond analysis
     
    #276     Oct 31, 2024
  7. johnarb

    johnarb

    collateralized with mstr shares, not bitcoin treasury asset, as I understand it....
     
    #277     Oct 31, 2024
  8. poopy

    poopy

    That's great, but the buyers receive Par, regardless... or they default in that scenario. They are not unsecured and it's the optionality which makes the coupon silly.

    Enough of that, what does MSTR add other than leverage? Leverage you can trade in other, cheaper products?
     
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  9. poopy

    poopy


    Understood but 100% of their mcap is due to their BTC-holdings. Obviously the risk of default is a nearly 100% corr to BTC spot price. Nobody is valuing MSTR on the opco.
     
    #279     Oct 31, 2024
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  10. johnarb

    johnarb

    yes, the optionality (call options) to the buyers, the hedging as the price of mstr shares go higher

    mstr offers volatility to all the market participants

    to the buyers of equity, to the buyers of debt, to the shorts as well

    It was in that video, I posted a few pages back, I know it's long but can be sped up 2x on the settings

    PS: It's on this video Saylor said mstr is able to borrow at less than 1% unsecured

     
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    #280     Oct 31, 2024
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