Moving Averages are Random

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by Q3D, May 9, 2016.

  1. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader

    Great... But, stating that the market is completely random based on observations of 1 type of data(moving averages, in this case) is a bit of wishful thinking(IMHO), since this seems to be very little evidence for such a statement...
    Moreover, if you´ve just "proven" that the market is completely random, it´s a grand assumption to say that maybe your statement in an internet forum would "spread awarness of it being so" and make it "even more random(?)":confused:... So, that would be completely unnecessary and you could say nothing and just "take full advantage" of the alledged randomness of the market.
    But, we all have to chose what to focus on...
    So, I wish you all the best!(sincerely)
     
    #11     May 9, 2016
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  2. Q3D

    Q3D

    Gold futures' direction is only known after-the-fact once an institution moves 1,000+ contracts in a second. Retail traders are gamblers who can only see the effects of institutional transactions, we are usually wrong about the causes of price movement even when profitable.
     
    #12     May 9, 2016
  3. cvds16

    cvds16

    that's your opinion ... I tend to disagree ... you can read the footprint of the big movers and shakers ... I only trade gold during 8:00 and 18:00 CET to be certain the big players are there ...
     
    #13     May 9, 2016
  4. speedo

    speedo

    Again with this nonsense Q3D? Really man, get a life.
     
    #14     May 9, 2016
  5. Q3D

    Q3D

    Can you challenge the accuracy of the conclusion that price behavior at and around moving averages is random?
     
    #15     May 9, 2016
  6. speedo

    speedo

    Since I as many use MA's as part of our technical kit to make a living, the notion of debating your absurd premise is ridiculous. Most of us failed at this before we succeeded. But we stayed at it until we figured out a way. You pathetically search for reasons why it's impossible.

    If you really believe it's impossible, why in the world would you continue to troll a trading site? Do you have any idea how foolish you sound to those who trade for a living?
     
    #16     May 9, 2016
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  7. d08

    d08

    You're still tinkering with MAs? 200 day MA has meaning simply because many still pay attention to it. You do realize it's just an average price right? and there is nothing special involved?
     
    #17     May 9, 2016
  8. Q3D

    Q3D

    You must have stupidly, in your trolling impulse, missed my posts where I'm altruistically sharing a new vision for traders, encouraging them to adopt a gambling business philosophy where chance and randomness are the supreme operating factors in all decisions and perceptions. You and your lying for-profit trading teachers are the selfish trolls who have lied and profited at the expense of new and failing traders for too long, never again.
     
    #18     May 9, 2016
  9. speedo

    speedo

    Your concept of altruism is as silly as your insistence on randomness. Early on I tried to help you but you insist on being a loser....I'm done with you, these threads are a waste of time, but I do hope you find a way out of your negative funk.
     
    #19     May 9, 2016
  10. Simples

    Simples

    Assertion in thread title: "Moving Averages are Random"

    Nope.

    Q3D: You got some ideas, but people on this site are either expert traders or people who have been at this game for a very long time (5k++ hours up to decades). In such a forum it is imperative to be very precise and provide some arguments of value/insight. This argument about MAs is at best interesting, as a fleeting thought, but most of us are long beyond the stage of belief in the "magical MA to solve our trading problems". Many many places people discuss which MA is correct, but not here. So when you try to assert what most of us already know, at least try to be more precise, or it becomes too boring arguing about semantics and different ideas of definitions.

    Ie. instead of posting all at once, try posting in your favourite texteditor. Then try to refine your ideas, until you believe them presentable. Maybe, just maybe, you get more ideas to explore too!

    Solution to this discussion:
    Moving averages are the average of prices for the period chosen, not random. They may be used as a tool whenever you don't have a better tool in order to "draw a line in the sand", but are far from the only - or even best tool in the toolbox. Given the right analysis, MAs may be used or may be used loosely as a directional tool, though shifting responsibility of edge into something else in the trading plan.

    Why MA, why not percentiles, max, min, or gazillion other mathematical formulas, which by themselves without foundation and plan, have little to no edge?

    If someone can make MAs work, good for them!
     
    #20     May 9, 2016