Most Swedes recognise immigration is necessary to sustain economic growth

Discussion in 'Economics' started by OddTrader, Feb 25, 2017.

  1. Perhaps we should learn more about his faith as well! Welcome him to ET!

     
    #31     Feb 26, 2017
  2. luisHK

    luisHK

    Difficult to know who is behing an internet forum handle, particulary a newly registered one, but this reminds me of a previous visit in Stockholm, when we got a long antinewimmigrant rant from an african taxi driver. himself a decades old immigrant there.
    I must add this last massive wave of immigration makes Sweden and the most touched countries less atractive, masses of poor folks raised in violent surroundings are worrying and so aRE the locals who grow more xenophobic.
    For years btw I ve noticed very virulent swedish racist posters in internet forums.
    Fwiw I disagree with the idea immigrants should be prioritised in function of the hardship they endure back home, and nowadays look much more keenly on countries that take few or no refugees.
     
    #32     Feb 26, 2017
  3. sle

    sle

    Come on, dude, this guy is a paid troll. Most probably he's Russian and actually gets paid for this bullshit. Think about it - freshly registered, first post in a politically charged topic, usage of rubber stamps like "treacherous propaganda" and "mass psychosis". I am willing to bet he's not gonna come back here either.

    I know the situation in one of the neighboring countries very well and it's not perfect but not the end of the world. Of course, there is abuse, it would be surprising if there wasn't.
     
    #33     Feb 26, 2017
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  4. " I'm of mixed nationality myself, and my 5-year old daughter is half African and we're muslim. "

    People definitely should do a search on " we are muslim " , with the quotation marks in order to find exactly the three words, no more no less, and in that order!

    Surprisingly, my own search result was/is NO any Muslim would compose Muslim starting with a small letter 'm'!!!

    All my search results showed the word Muslim were having a capital letter 'M'!!!

    Looks like they are proud to be Muslims!

    If I write muslim here on ET, my screen immediately prompts me a spelling error by underlying the whole word with a red colour.

    However he didn't see it, or he, as a proud Muslim to be his great faith, didn't even care about the underlying red line!

    I now apologise in advance if anything wrong above from my poor findings, especially with my inferior Internet search!
     
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    #34     Feb 26, 2017
  5. luisHK

    luisHK

    No idea wether he is paid for that but sure seems trolling.It still reminds me of a taxi driver in Stockholm.
     
    #35     Feb 26, 2017
  6. sle

    sle

    Yeah, my barber is from the Central Asia (one of the 'stans) and he rants about immigrants all the time. It's a part of the package :)
     
    #36     Feb 26, 2017
  7. https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/the-solution-to-trumpism-a-little-kindness-and-generosity.307175/
     
    #37     Feb 26, 2017
  8. JSOP

    JSOP

    Wow learned some Swedish here, nice! Well I guess if he just wrote such a long post to get the information out and doesn't post here anymore then I guess he might be verkligen en svensk. Usually en rysk troll would post one-line flaming posts and would keep coming back for more flaming posts just to respond.
     
    #38     Feb 26, 2017
  9. JSOP

    JSOP

    If you have immigrants themselves being angry about immigration, then you know you've got a problem. And I agree with Fileiro, whether he's en rysk troll or not, the immigration and actually refugee acceptance issue facing Sweden and actually not just Sweden but the whole Europe, Eastern & Western, United States, Canada, and even China, basically any place that has had positive economic growth is a major problem. And this issue is not a question of to help or not to help, it's an issue of designing an optimal immigration and welfare system that benefits everybody in the society (immigrants themselves) equally and positively taking into account of history, population make-up, geographic features and resources.

    And every country DOES have a right and duty to protect its own country, its own borders, its own people first when it comes to immigration and especially refugee acceptance. And that is a given and no countries should feel guilty or made to feel guilty about that. Immigration and especially refugees acceptance should be viewed as an act of generosity and not a sense of duty or like payment of some kind of debt. If you see people panhandling on the streets, you are not obligated to open the door of your home to let them in. So if an individual person is not even obligated to do so, WHY should a country be different? No country in this world no matter how rich they are is obligated to take in refugees and many affluent countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar who actually have similar culture and religion are actually not; those that are are opening their doors to refugees are doing it from the goodness of their heart and many times at the expense of their own existing citizens. This fundamental mentality should at least be established. And then on the basis of these thoughts, then we can design a more optimal and equitable and fair welfare system that will benefit all.
     
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    #39     Feb 26, 2017
  10. Gotcha

    Gotcha

    Impossible. Immigration, just like taxation, is a way to redistribute money. If too many poor immigrant come into a country, you dilute the wealth of everyone else. If we want to bring the lowest percentage of the population out of poverty, either through immigration to somewhere else or improving their circumstance in their own country, this means that someone else has to go down. The rich people have made sure that it won't come from them, so instead, it comes from the middle class.

    I've seen the charts that point to how heavy the taxation was on the super rich in the 40's and 50's and 60's, but now, its completely opposite. This is why we see those stats about how most of the wealth in the world is held by the few percent at the top.

    If we want to insure that more people in this world have a better life, it needs to come from somewhere. The middle class is now tapped out, and disappearing, and its only getting worse with more immigrants if you ask me. It might all look ok today, but the fundamentals are really grim. The young people today can't afford property, and the pensions I doubt will be nicely funded when they are ready to retire in the next 30 or so years.

    The system I believe is being held together on a year to year basis, but when you look at projections in the next few decades, I don't see how the next generation will have anything close to what the baby boomers have now.
     
    #40     Feb 26, 2017