Most powerful lobby in the US?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Pekelo, Aug 19, 2006.

Most powerful lobby in the USA?

  1. big pharma

    3 vote(s)
    8.3%
  2. oil industry

    8 vote(s)
    22.2%
  3. Israel

    14 vote(s)
    38.9%
  4. NRA, guns

    1 vote(s)
    2.8%
  5. military contractors

    3 vote(s)
    8.3%
  6. tobacco

    1 vote(s)
    2.8%
  7. other

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Well, several times more than one of these go hand in hand to achieve the same goal. It is kind of hard to pick one as the most powerful...
     
  2. Well considering that most of the arms sales these days are funneled to Israel (war is the most profitable activity known to mankind) since that is where the current war is, it's close. But the overriding cause is the bleeding dry of American by a certain foreign entity...guess what one :mad:
     
  3. Donkell

    Donkell

    You should have added the Catholic Church.

    Very Very powerful. Not sure why they wield so much power, but they do.

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  4. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Not the Catholics, but I left out the Religious Right. Well, there is still the choice Other...

    I don't think Catholics are stronger influence than the usual Bible Belt rightwing preachers. And they actually hate Catholics. Remember, one strike against Kennedy was being a Catholic...
     
  5. TGregg

    TGregg

    LOL, everybody knows AARP has all the money. It's the most well-funded lobby group by far.

    Look up the story on CatHealth. It passed either the senate or the house by an overhwelming vote, just asking the geezers to pony up an extra fin a month to pay for all-encompasing insurance. AARP worked the congress over, and they all ran back and unpassed the bill.

    If the NRA had a lobby like that, gun class would be a required part of public education.

    LOL, I see Isreal is being picked as the most powerful lobby. If that were true, we would have planes and ships helping out in Lebanon.

    And if Big Oil had Uncle Sam in his hip pocket like AARP, there would never have even been a debate about ANWAR drilling, it would have just happened.
     
  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Quote from TGregg:

    LOL, everybody knows AARP has all the money. It's the most well-funded lobby group by far.

    Not according to hard data: (facts are stubborn things) :)
    Your AARP doesn't even make the top 10, but Tobacco and Military contractors and big pharma do...

    Top Spenders, 1998-2005

    Client
    Total

    US Chamber of Commerce $243,564,680

    American Medical Assn $136,415,500

    Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $133,096,515

    American Hospital Assn $117,776,891

    General Electric $116,130,000

    Edison Electric Institute $89,142,628

    Business Roundtable $84,600,000

    National Assn of Realtors $80,750,000

    Northrop Grumman $78,952,509

    Philip Morris $75,500,000

    Blue Cross/Blue Shield $74,880,855

    AARP $73,700,000

    Freddie Mac $73,020,000

    Lockheed Martin $70,229,965

    Boeing Co $68,738,310

    SBC Communications $67,953,327

    Verizon Communications $62,946,522

    General Motors $62,333,483

    Fannie Mae $60,797,000

    American Farm Bureau Federation $58,072,669


    WHERE ARE THE FIGURES FROM?
    Lobbyists have to file semi-annual reports with the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House identifying their clients, the lobbyists working for each client, and the amount of income they receive. Companies have to report their overall lobbying expenditures and the names of any lobbyists employed as part of an in-house lobbying effort. Data are periodically updated to reflect late filings and amendments.



    LOL, I see Isreal is being picked as the most powerful lobby. If that were true, we would have planes and ships helping out in Lebanon.


    We are in Iraq, aren't we? And guess for whom Saddam was dangerous? Not the US....


    And if Big Oil had Uncle Sam in his hip pocket like AARP, there would never have even been a debate about ANWAR drilling, it would have just happened.


    Yeah, like the Prez is from that industry, I think that counts for something. Or the VP makes secret energy meetings with that lobby/industry. Have I mentioned we are in Iraq?
     
  7. TGregg

    TGregg

    Not according to the facts, stubborn bastids that they are.

    AARP is #2 on spending in 2005:

    The Chamber is #1, but AARP is right behind them. No sign of big oil or Isreal.

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    But what I meant to say was they are the biggest lobby in terms of raw members.

    35,000,000 geezers pony up to be part of the AARP. Thirty Five Million. And geezers vote, they got nothing else to do. They vote more than misery-laden teenagers. They vote more than soccer moms. They vote more than Angry White Men. Nobody has a higher percentage of voters than white-hairs in polyester shorts and black socks.

    There's no lobby that makes a congressman wet his pants with fear like the AARP.

    And we send over a billion dollars in aid to Egypt every year. Hard to believe that Isreal would allow that, being the most powerful lobby and all.
     
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    We both used the same website, but you used 1 year's data, I used a 7 years period. Go figure which one is more valid. :)

    (Let's suppose you are looking for trading talent. You take the guy with 1 good year, or the other one with a 7 years consecutive decent returns?)

    But I agree, money is not everything. Religious right has the same power over Washington like AARP, although they might not contribute as much money as other lobby groups.
    I left out at least 3 important groups from the poll (AARP, Religious right, Healthcare industry) and there can be a few more, less important groups (car industry, insurance industry).

    Nevertheless as the poll shows, ETers think that the 2 most powerful ones are the Israeli and the oil industry lobby. Actually those were my guesses too.

    P.S.: For extra fun put the year 2004 in and you can see AARP didn't even make the top 20! :)
    They probably just FORGOT to lobby...

    I guess in the next year they had to pay extra to bring themselves to par at least...


    P.P.S; Before you check, AARP didn't make the top 20 in the years of '98,'99,2000-2002, 2004. But thanks for using selected data, you were an excellent example how not to use statistics...
     
  9. The lobby money is hard money, measurable.

    What the oil companies and Israel does to lobby is different.

    Political favors and promises down the road are much more valuable than cash up front.

    Israel's power also comes from wealthy Jewish donations and other campaign finance methods, favorable press, etc., and the fear of that money being pulled or going to other candidates.

    Reagan and Clinton were not a whores to the oil companies or the Arabs, while Bush is, and the price of oil and profits to oil business reflects that during their tenure.

     
    #10     Aug 21, 2006