Most Dangerous? American Black's or Iraqis

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Pa(b)st Prime, Oct 5, 2006.

  1. Majority of the"black culture" creates difficulty for him. He is screwed because the majority of his peer is bad .
     
    #261     Feb 8, 2008
  2. Actually there is .
    Version of English you speak is not the only one in existence . I preffer the original version.
    I shouldn't be but I was surprized at your ignorance as you claim to be spelling expert. It is obvious that your ignorance and lack of common sense paired with self percieved superiority prevents you from comprehensing even the basic logical problems.
    Your british isles ancestors would have you thrown to hogs for denying an existence of an original word.
     
    #262     Feb 8, 2008
  3. Huh? Half the murders in the U.S. are committed by blacks. Hence 'white" America has a murder rate on a par with Switzerland. In fact also strip out Latinos and America has a pitifully low homicide rate.

    The studies you mention are flawed in the respect that most of Africa doesn't report. Useless eh? I'll flip your logic though. Look at the ten safest.

    (1) Slovenia 0.7
    (2) Austria 0.9
    (3) Sweden 1.8
    (4) Switzerland 2.3
    (5) Israel 2.3
    (6) Hong Kong 2.4
    (7) Norway 2.5
    (8) Ireland 2.8
    (9) Finland 3.7
    (10) Singapore 4.3

    Gee, what do those countries have in common?
     
    #263     Feb 8, 2008
  4. You're joking, right?
     
    #264     Feb 8, 2008
  5. TELL US.

    After all, there are MANY things those countries have in common.
     
    #265     Feb 8, 2008
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    What's any of that got to do with my post? Let me repeat the question: consider a black person who does *not* have any of the negative behaviours or beliefs you cite. How are they responsible for the negative treatment they get because of their racial background?
     
    #266     Feb 10, 2008
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    You sound like someone who has never witnessed the reality of widespread racial prejudice. What if you can't go elsewhere? What if you don't just encounter it occasionally, but often? You are acting like it's just a case of the occasional clerk at a 7-11 who acts this way. What if it's your parents, your friends, your employer, or the local police department? Wouldn't that kinda suck and make life difficult?
     
    #267     Feb 10, 2008
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    That leaves the other half of murders committed by non-blacks. Still twice the murder rate of Bermuda, Europe, and other countries on a similar economic level to the USA - and that is their figures *including* the black population. Strip out the murders of their black population, and the murder rate comparing non-black to non-black, or white to white, is lower still than the US.

    Regarding your point about Africa, it is a dirt-poor continent filled with mostly 3rd world countries, many of which have some form of civil war going on from time to time, or suffer major political instability. Of course it is going to have more crime and murder. It is hardly comparing like with like. That's why I gave the example of a country that is majority black, yet with similar living standards to the US. Despite having over 50% black population, it has 1/4 of the US murder rate, and 1/2 of the "white" US murder rate. So once again, how is this showing a clear link between race and crime on a global basis? When we compare like with like - black vs white populations when living standards, political stability, education etc are similar, we don't see this huge disparity in crime that some people are claiming.

    As I said before, if you can show 2 similar countries or societies, where these factors are broadly similar, and yet the black population is murdering at several times the rate of the white population, then that would constitute evidence. But so far I'm not seeing that. All I see is evidence that poor countries and social groups have higher crime than rich countries and rich social groups, and that the US has far more murders than any other country of similar economic standing.
     
    #268     Feb 10, 2008
  9. Pabst has repeatedly demonstrated his inability to differentiate between correlation and causation. Actually, it's an open question as to whether he can't understand it or just prefers to pretend he doesn't understand it because the imputation of causation lies at the heart of his bigotry.

    Here's how it runs. Poor black countries have higher murder rates than rich white countries. Therefore, blacks are more murderous than whites.

    At first it seems hard to believe that anyone could buy into such a simplistic analysis. But we're not dealing with brain surgeons here. I prefer to believe that Pabst just can't understand the error, instead of considering the possibility that he actually knows it's BS but needs to maintain the charade in order to keep his bigotry internally consistent.

    After all, I'm an optimist at heart

    : )
     
    #269     Feb 10, 2008
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    I agree to an extent, some countries aren't on the list due to lack of statistics. But we can compares ones that are on the list from the same years e.g.

    Jamaica 49 murders per 100,000
    El Salvador 55.3

    or

    Russia 19.8
    Barbados 7.49

    or

    Latvia 10
    Argentina 9.5
    Thailand 8.5
    Zambia 7.9
    **Zimbabwe 7.2**

    or

    Ivory Coast 4.07
    Dominica 2.74
    **USA 5.5**

    We also have the issue of comparing like with like. One would expect failed states, war zones, or countries engaging in ethnic cleansing & genocide to have high murder rates. To isolate the effect of race, you need to compare like with like. So compare politically stable majority black countries with other politically stable non-black countries with similar GDP. Compare war zones with other war zones, brutal dictatorships with other brutal dictatorships, failed states with other failed states etc.
     
    #270     Feb 10, 2008