More Evidence Great Depression II Is Here: 30mm Unemployed in U.S. (19% of workforce)

Discussion in 'Economics' started by ByLoSellHi, Aug 11, 2009.

  1. If the stats Herbert cites are true, there is no way out.

    I believe his stats to be more true than not.

    A Scary Reality

    Published: August 10, 2009

    Last week was a pretty good one for President Obama. Bill Clinton helped out big time when he returned from North Korea with the American journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee. Sonia Sotomayor was elevated to the Supreme Court. And Friday’s unemployment report registered a tiny downward tick in the jobless rate.

    But for American workers peering anxiously through their family portholes, the economic ship is still sinking. You can put whatever kind of gloss you want on last week’s jobs numbers, but the truth is that while they may have been a bit better than most economists were expecting, they were still bad, bad, bad.

    Some 247,000 jobs were lost in July, a number that under ordinary circumstances would send a shudder through the country. It was the smallest monthly loss of jobs since last summer. And for that reason, it was seen as a hopeful sign. The official monthly unemployment rate ticked down from 9.5 percent to 9.4 percent.

    But behind the official numbers is a scary story that illustrates the single biggest challenge facing the United States today. The American economy does not seem able to provide enough jobs — and nowhere near enough good jobs — to maintain the standard of living that most Americans have come to expect.

    The country has lost a crippling 6.7 million jobs since the Great Recession began in December 2007. No one is predicting a recovery in the foreseeable future powerful enough to replace the millions of jobs that have vanished in this historic downturn.

    Analysts at the Economic Policy Institute noted that the economy has fewer jobs now than it had in 2000, “even though the labor force has grown by around 12 million workers since then.”

    Two issues that absolutely undermine any rosy assessment of last week’s employment report are the swelling ranks of the long-term unemployed and the crushing levels of joblessness among young Americans. More than five million workers — about a third of the unemployed — have been jobless for more than six months. That’s the highest number recorded since accurate records have been kept.

    For those concerned with the economic viability of the American family going forward, the plight of young workers, especially young men, is particularly frightening. The percentage of young American men who are actually working is the lowest it has been in the 61 years of record-keeping, according to the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University in Boston.

    Only 65 of every 100 men aged 20 through 24 years old were working on any given day in the first six months of this year. In the age group 25 through 34 years old, traditionally a prime age range for getting married and starting a family, just 81 of 100 men were employed.

    For male teenagers, the numbers were disastrous: only 28 of every 100 males were employed in the 16- through 19-year-old age group. For minority teenagers, forget about it. The numbers are beyond scary; they’re catastrophic.

    This should be the biggest story in the United States. When joblessness reaches these kinds of extremes, it doesn’t just damage individual families; it corrodes entire communities, fosters a sense of hopelessness and leads to disorder.

    The unemployment that has wrought such devastation in black communities for decades is now being experienced by a much wider swath of the population. We’ve been in deep denial about this. Way back in March 2007, when the official unemployment rate was a wildly deceptive 4.5 percent and the Bush crowd was crowing about the alleged strength of the economy, I wrote:

    “People can howl all they want about how well the economy is doing. The simple truth is that millions of ordinary American workers are in an employment bind. Steady jobs with good benefits are going the way of Ozzie and Harriet. Young workers, especially, are hurting, which diminishes the prospects for the American family. And blacks, particularly black males, are in a deep danger zone.”

    The official jobless rate is now more than twice as high — 9.4 percent — and even more wildly deceptive. It ticked down by 0.1 percent last month not because more people found jobs, but because 450,000 people withdrew from the labor market. They stopped looking, so they weren’t counted as unemployed.

    A truer picture of the employment crisis emerges when you combine the number of people who are officially counted as jobless with those who are working part time because they can’t find full-time work and those in the so-called labor market reserve — people who are not actively looking for work (because they have become discouraged, for example) but would take a job if one became available.

    The tally from those three categories is a mind-boggling 30 million Americans — 19 percent of the overall work force.

    This is, by far, the nation’s biggest problem and should be its No. 1 priority.
  2. Hope you all got your silver and gold stored up. We are going down hard and at least get our money devalued to compete with some of the 3rd world countries. This meaning devaluing our money to a point where 58 dollars(8 hours of min wage work) equals about 2 to 5 dollars of todays purchasing power. People will survive the same way those 3rd world countries survive. People will live in communal boarding houses, you will see sari-sari* stores popping up everywhere, and being a nanny will actually be one of the fastest growing jobs as it allows free room & board.

    *sari-sari stores are like these sort of little booths all around philippines where you can buy single servings of things that would normally come in larger quantities, like you could buy 1 single cigarette instead of a pack, or 1 cup of sugar instead of a 5 pound bag.
  3. People are still in denial about what's headed are way; as in IMMINENTLY.

    They just can't accept we'll have a rerun or worse of that terrible time they all heard about in the 30s.

    China's going to implode, too (that's my speculative side wager).

    Anyone not ferreting away wealth and assets is a damn fool. Anyone blowing wealth is an even bigger moron.

    It's time.
  4. ashatet


    The best store for wealth will be gold, mix of foreign currencies, oil stocks, agriculture stocks, even US dollar, but definitely not stock that has never and will never pay dividend.

  5. After reading this article im more than glad to be one of the teenage minorities with a job. Something that bothers me is that state and federal goverments are having an alarming increase in demand for social programs and wont be able to meet there obligations to fund these programs and eventually defualt on their massive debt. The U.S. goverment depends on young workers like myself to generate revenue for these programs so if were not able to get jobs now and there is a low probability of the economy being able to create a demand for all the excess labor(i.e. young & middle age workers) in the near future at a pace equal to the losses suffered from 2007 till now, what will happen to all the retiring baby boomers and mass amounts of people dependant on these social programs to survive? I fear that it has to become a possibilty that the United States could end up defualting on all its debt and experience a true economic collapse of the century. Anyone that could show me im wrong for thinking this way, I say thank you for the hope.
  6. #1 - Hebert is an idiot.

    #2 - Even if he is right, he's describing the current situation. Ok, the unemployment rate is 20%. Things are bad. The question should be - where is it headed?
  7. It's funny the gold bugs keep pumping their holy metal in EMPLOYMENT threads! There may be many reasons to buy gold but protracted high unemployment is not one of them.
  8. Why the disguise?
  9. The first person to mention gold was doing so directly to defend against currency devaluation.
  10. If you can't deal with reality, take two Pamprin, run some Vagisil onto your schmekus, take a warm bubble bath, and douche often.

    The rest of us are preparing for the reality that is unfolding.

    Go hide, Red Robin Hood. Hopefully, you have a real man to protect you when hell breaks loose.
    #10     Aug 11, 2009