More easing to cost ohhhh only another TRILLION!!!!

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by S2007S, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. S2007S


    So BUBBLE ben bernanke is getting ready to throw another $1,000,000,000,000 worth of easing into the economy to prop it up once again, the strange thing is every time I put on cnbc I keep hearing these economists and analysts saying how great the the economy is, I guess they dont really comprehend much, you would think with all that education and knowledge they would have a small understanding why the economy is actually just barely getting by, but they lack all of that.... What they fail to understand is that the reason why this economy looks like its improving is because of these trillions the fed has pumped into the system these last few years, I say fuck the easing, fuck the QE1 fuck the QE 2 and the rest of the QE they have in mind and let the system try to work it out on its own, then will see what real growth the economy has, ohhh I forgot without any of this easing the economy would be lucky to have a GDP growth rate of 0%, This is nothing but smoke and mirrors, I have no clue why everyone fails to understand this, creating another round of easing is NOT the way to fix this crisis, but they keep thinking the more they spend the better things will get, thats not going to happen, the economy has now become too dependent on these types of hand outs. All were going to do is create more inflation. We need to have the markets work this out not BUBBLE ben bernanke and friends, they keep thinking that the more they print the better things will get, thats foolish thinking and a fucking joke!

    Fed's Latest Easing Could Cost $1 Trillion: Economists
    Published: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012 | 2:09 PM ET
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    By: Jeff Cox Senior Writer

    The Federal Reserve is likely to step in with $1 trillion worth of easing that could be announced as soon as this month, according to a growing consensus of economists who see the recent uptick in economic growth as unsustainable.

    With the Fed’s Open Market Committee set to meet next week, expectations are rising that the languishing housing market will drive the central bank to buy up mortgage-backed securities.

    The goal of the purchases will be to drive down interest rates even further from current record-low levels, and, less obviously, to spur confidence that more monetary tools remain to stimulate the economy.

    Of course, the announcement also could push stock prices higher, as did the Fed's last balance sheet expansion begun in November 2010.

    Just a few months ago, market observers speculated that another round of quantitative easing [cnbc explains] — QE3, in this case — would be politically infeasible and probably unnecessary given hopes for better growth in 2012.

    But with housing stuck in neutral and a European recession on the horizon, economists believe QE3 is all but certain.

    Andrew Wilkinson, chief economic strategist at Miller Tabak, released a paper Thursday that makes the case for more easing, which he said could push stock prices higher to where the Standard & Poor’s 500 [.SPX 1310.29 -4.21 (-0.32%) ] rises another 11 percent to 1450.

    Among a host of supporting data points, perhaps the most interesting is that comparing the amount of equity homeowners have to disposable household income reveals a stunning fact: the ratio has fallen to 54 percent, which Wilkinson called "unprecedented" territory.

    The upshot is that because home values have fallen so far, real wealth has plunged as well. And the reason home values have fallen so far is because excess inventory is pushing down prices, a phenomenon he thinks the Fed has no choice but to fight.

    "This simple fact represents uncharted territory for the Federal Reserve," Wilkinson wrote. "Despite a recovery in growth and employment, the crippling damage inflicted by the subprime warhorse continues to play a worrisome role behind the scenes."

    The Fed amplified its own concerns over this issue in a white paper Chairman Ben Bernanke recently sent to Congress, in a move criticized by some as overreaching the central bank’s authority by trying to twist the collective arm of Congress.

    Bernanke’s goal was for Congress to allocate funding that would help in mortgage modifications and restore value to the market.

    To follow up its request to Congress, Wilkinson expects action from the Fed, and soon.

    "There seems little point in waiting to implement further easing, and to do so could confuse the message the Fed is trying to deliver at a point in time when it is trying to make its communication with the public clearer," he said.

    The $1 trillion price tag — Citigroup economists a few weeks ago also envisioned QE3 at that level — is significant in that it will send the Fed’s balance sheet to about $3.9 trillion and likely spark a war with Congress over the threat of inflation.

    But the recent easing of inflation [cnbc explains] pressures, combined with dithering of Congress, sets a delicate stage for the Fed to take the political risk.

    "Obama Administration officials have come to realize that the ongoing dysfunction in the mortgage market is a key impediment to sustained expansion," Vincent Reinhart, chief U.S. economist at Morgan Stanley, said in a note.

    "Their problem is that there is no chance of coming to terms with the Congress to fix the mess," Reinhart added. "The result is that the administration is moving toward mortgage modification, but not decisively. Purchasing MBS is a way that the Fed can support that movement and signal the seriousness of the enterprise."

    Reinhart isn’t quite as ambitious in his QE3 call — he sees the top side of up to $750 billion, implemented in March — but his view is largely the same: The economic improvements are unlikely to last and will force the Fed’s hand.

    He sees GDP growth in 2012 at a below-consensus 2 percent.

    "We think this deceleration in real GDP will be enough for the FOMC to declare that there are downside risks to both of its objectives by March, the precondition for QE3," he wrote. "The vigor of private demand is being sapped by unfinished business left from the incomplete clean-up of the financial crisis."

    About that economic recovery: Economists at the biggest shops also are wagering 2012 GDP down to the 2 percent range — Citigroup’s Peter D’Antonia says 1.75 percent — even though the fourth quarter of 2011 could be upwards of 3 percent or better, with Deutsche Bank economist Joe LaVorgna above 4 percent.

    Goldman Sachs sees growth at 2 percent in 2012 and not much improvement in 2013, with GDP gaining about 2.25 percent.

    The reason for the pessimism is that the improving data masks unsustainable fundamentals — an unusual drop in the savings rate, a jump in auto purchases due mainly to a recovery from Japan’s natural disasters last spring, and a surge in inventories.

    The stock market rebound? Likely temporary, too, according to Bank of America Merrill Lynch economist Neil Dutta, who points out that the bond market and the firm’s proprietary measure of liquidity both point to slowing conditions.

    "Most markets are signaling that the recent acceleration in U.S. growth will not persist,” Dutta said. “It is hard to find an area in the financial markets that corroborates the stock market’s signal on growth."
  2. When will Capitalists realize that it is only the Communist-style Central Planning of the economy by the Fed that is truly Capitalist...

    Why does the market rally when more QE is announced??

    Because Wall Street understands that you must interfere with the free market in order to have a free market.

    When will the unwashed masses understand.....?? :confused:
  3. Remember when somebody said, "A $Billion here, a $Billion there.. pretty soon, you're talking real money..."?

    We all realize, don't we, that a "Trillion" is 1000x a "Billion"?
  4. pupu


    BTW, what do you call 1000 X TRILLION?

    I have a feeling we'll have to get acquainted with the term soon enough
  5. Quadrillion, I think

    You're right. We should all familiarize our selves with the term. Might need it when buying a can of beans in the future.

    :mad: :mad:
  6. Will that help the bonus pool?

    Because we need to have a bigger bonus pool.... :D
  7. Keeping things in perspective...

    1. $1,000,000 in $1000 bills, stacked = 9"

    2. $1,000,000,000, in $1000 bills, stacked = height of 75 story building.

    3. $1,000,000,000,000, in $1000 bills stacked = height of 75,000 story building.... and we're in debt to the tune of 15 of those... soon to be 18, under Odumbo's hand.

    :mad: :mad:
  8. A year ago we would have had Kassz, Olias and a handful of other bootlickers telling us we don't know what's "good" for us.
  9. ^ you must mean nine feet ( ' ), not inches ( " ) right?
  10. Oops... meant "$1,000 bills", not $100 bills.. will edit. Thanks for pointing out my boner..
    #10     Jan 20, 2012