More Downside....

Discussion in 'Trading' started by EliteTraderNYC, Aug 23, 2015.

  1. ES at 1954 down another 17 points
     
    #21     Aug 23, 2015
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  2. Visaria

    Visaria

    im guessing 1950 ish will be the low...

    probable bounce and then retest of 1950 during market hours tomorrow before turning up strongly is my guess.
     
    #22     Aug 23, 2015
  3. k p

    k p

    There is absolutely no way to know. Can you imagine all the things that could have happened over the weekend to make it gap up? Holding after the close on Friday is very tricky. The same thing happened around the Greece news. How can you forecast on Friday before close what developments there will be over the weekend when there are negotiations or things like this when we deal with political issues?

    Now I would hazard a guess that when we closed on the low, this might have implied to the trader that the more likely scenario was a gad down opening. If you look at the daily bars every Friday, find the big ones over the years, see where they close in relation to the day, and then look at the bar where it opens on Sunday. I haven't done this because I don't want to gamble like this, but perhaps there is a trend that becomes obvious?

    The really risky thing is that stops are difficult. Whereas during the day, and even overnight, you can generally get out within a point. But if you went long into the close on Friday, the last print in the NQ that I see is at 4191, and the very first print is at 4183, so even if you want to deal with a stop that is a few points, you may be in for a surprise.

    The trader you mention though already made a killing, the worst that would have happened is he would have made less on the contracts he already shorted from higher up if the opening did in fact gap up, he was willing to accept the risk, and he more than likely had calculated that this move was profitable more often then not and hence would make the exact same trade the next time that the same conditions set up.

    So in conclusion, there is really no way to know, its all just a matter of balancing risk with reward, and making sure you're on the right side of a statistical edge.
     
    #23     Aug 23, 2015
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  4. I'm on board with Visaria. If the market opens higher, I am placing a limit order to buy at Friday's close. Based on my backtesting, this has a statistical edge, but a small sample size. If the market opens lower, I am going to short at the open. Again this shows a statistical edge, with some really big wins. I am going to trade lighter as volatility should be high.
     
    #24     Aug 23, 2015
  5. lol you guys crack me up! crapping your pants! spx 2050 by eod friday. you heard it here first
     
    #25     Aug 23, 2015