More Bill O'Idiot

Discussion in 'Politics' started by OPTIONAL777, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. First, you have no way of knowing if the data from two different sources were calculated consistently. Note that it is life "expectancy", which apparently is a forecast rather than simply an average of age at death. Second, I have no way of knowing if the relatively small difference between Wisconsin and Canada is statistically significant.

    What I think is totally obvious is that such data are far more dependent on demographics than they form of health care. O'Reilly's answer, while inartfully put, was clearly making this point.
     
    #11     Jul 28, 2009
  2. Laughable, what an arse you are. I knew you wouldn't get it.

    China and India are not developed nations and WI is consistently ranked as the most obese state.

    First of all the demographics of the US and Canada are not comparable. The US has a large african american population that eats like shit and dies much earlier than everyone else.

    That's not to mention the murder rates. I'm sure that if you removed the African American population or smoothed it out to equal that of the Canadian demographics the mortality rates of the US would be better than Canada.

    According to the 2006 Census by Statistics Canada, 783,795 Canadians identified themselves as black, constituting 2.5% of the entire Canadian population.

    Black men live 7.1 years less than other racial groups
    They have higher death rates than women for all leading causes of death
    They experience disproportionately higher death rates in all the leading causes of death
    40% of black men die prematurely from cardiovascular disease as compared to 21% of white men
    They have a higher incidence and a higher rate of death from oral cancer
    Black men are 5 times more likely to die of HIV/AIDS

    That's not to mention the US has a much larger urban population that are crime ridden (aka blue states) where as Canada does not.

    Although you do operate at a very high level for somebody mentally challenged (I won't call you a retard like your beloved democrats) I'm guessing O'rielly expects his audience to operate at a higher level than being spoonfed by that hosebag huffington.

    Man you are an idiot.




     
    #12     Jul 28, 2009
  3. This Harvard study confirms my point:
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    Life expectancy in the U.S. - differences
    13. September 2006 06:16


    U.S residents in eight groups based on geography, income and race have significant differences in life expectancy, according to a study published on Monday in the journal PloS Medicine, USA Today reports (Sternberg, USA Today, 9/12).
    For the study, Harvard University researchers analyzed population, mortality and health insurance statistics for 2,072 individual and merged counties nationwide from 1982 to 2001 (McKay, Wall Street Journal, 9/12). The eight groups, called the eight Americas, include:

    ¡Asian Americans, who have a per capita income of $21,566 and an average life expectancy of 84.9 years (Neergaard, AP/Detroit Free Press, 9/12);
    ¡Low-income rural whites in Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana and Nebraska, who have a per capita income of $17,758 and an average life expectancy of 79 years (USA Today, 9/12);
    ¡Middle Americans, who have a per capita income of $24,640 and an average life expectancy of 77.9 years;
    ¡Low-income whites in Appalachia and the Mississippi Valley, who have a per capita income of $16,390 and an average life expectancy of 75 years;
    ¡Black Middle Americans, who have a per capita income of $15,412 and an average life expectancy of 72.9 years;
    ¡Western American Indians, who have a per capita income of $10,029 and an average life expectancy of 72.7 years;
    ¡Southern, low-income, rural blacks, who have a per capita income of $10,463 and an average life expectancy of 71.1 years (AP/Detroit Free Press, 9/12); and
    ¡Urban blacks in counties with homicide rates that exceed the 95th percentile, who have a per capita income of $14,800 and an average life expectancy of 71 years (USA Today, 9/12).
    The study finds that some of the eight groups "have some of the longest life spans in the world, while others can be expected to live no longer than they would in a developing country," according to the Journal (Wall Street Journal, 9/12).
    Reasons for Differences

    According to the study, race, income and access to health care alone cannot explain the differences in life expectancy among the eight groups (USA Today, 9/12). Premature deaths of young and middle-aged adults, in large part from chronic diseases and injuries, account for most of the differences in life expectancy among the eight groups, the study finds (Wall Street Journal, 9/12). Christopher Murray, director of the Harvard Initiative for Global Health and lead author of the study, said that income did not account for the differences in life expectancy among the eight groups because whites "living below the median incomes in northern states have the best level of health among whites," adding, "That runs counter to everything we know" (USA Today, 9/12). In addition, the study finds "less variation among the eight Americas in the rate of health insurance coverage and the frequency of routine medical appointments than there was in life expectancy," an indication that access to health care "does not explain most of the differences in mortality," the Washington Post reports (Brown, Washington Post, 9/12). Murray said that many government health care programs focus on children and seniors and that few focus on at-risk young and middle-aged adults (AP/Detroit Free Press, 9/12). "Where we fall down is delivering health care for young and middle-aged adults," Murray said (USA Today, 9/12). He added, "This really requires a rethink about what is the focus of health care policy discussions in the U.S."

    Additional Results

    The study also finds that the difference in "life expectancy between the healthiest and most ill-prone in the U.S. is about 33 years," the Journal reports. According to the study, Asian-American women in Bergen County, N.J., had the highest average life expectancy in the nation at 91 years, and American Indian men in several South Dakota counties had the lowest life expectancy at 58 years. By county, seven Colorado counties, two Iowa counties and Montgomery County, Md., had the highest average life expectancy at 81.3 years, and six South Dakota counties had the lowest average life expectancy at 66.6 years, the study finds. By state, Hawaii had the highest average life expectancy at 80 years, followed by Minnesota at 78.8 years, and the District of Columbia had the lowest average life expectancy at 72 years, followed by Mississippi at 73.6 years, according to the study (Wall Street Journal, 9/12).

    Reaction

    Jonathan Skinner of Dartmouth College said, "There's no way that differences in the quality of health care can explain 20-year gaps in life expectancy." Skinner said much of the variation was caused by factors such as diet, exercise and smoking, adding, "Yet we spend much of our attention and 16% of our national income on health care" (USA Today, 9/12). Mitchell Wong of the University of California-Los Angeles said, "The magnitude of the life expectancy disparity is most striking and is perhaps a bit larger than I might have guessed. However, it is not surprising that by combining race and geography, disparities are even larger." Richard Cooper, chair of preventive medicine at Loyola University School of Medicine, said the "problem with these sorts of analyses is that they don't tell you anything very illuminating about the underlying social process" that account for differences in life expectancy (Washington Post, 9/12).

    http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/09/13/20107.aspx
     
    #13     Jul 28, 2009
  4. Way to go defenders of Fox News and Bill O'Saurus...

    <img src=http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-06-10-Oriellysaurus.jpg>
     
    #14     Jul 28, 2009
  5. ak15

    ak15

    You still don't get it, do you? O'Reilly's answer is blatantly wrong. He bases it exclusively on population size and doesn't even consider demographics.
     
    #15     Jul 28, 2009
  6. Fox News viewers don't even know what the word demographics means...

    Bill's plan of attack is always the same.

    K.I.S.S.

    Keep It Simple (for the Fox News) Simpletons...

     
    #16     Jul 28, 2009
  7. I don't think that is what he meant. When he said larger population, he meant more diverse. Why is that so hard to grasp?

    This is typical of the left's attempts to marginalize conservatives however. Take something out of context, then try to generalize from it.
     
    #17     Jul 28, 2009
  8. Ignoring your overt racism, what you're saying can be easily proven wrong.

    Even comparing ONLY America's white life expectancies to all of Canada's population, including minorities, Canada's life expectancy is greater.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_09.pdf

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/01/14/death-stats.html
     
    #18     Jul 28, 2009
  9. ak15

    ak15

    LOL. Are you out of your mind? His answer referenced population size only. Nothing and I repeat nothing in his reply even remotely resembles "diverse." What I've stated is completely on topic and has nothing to do with conservatives, left, right etc. It was an obvious error by O'Reilly. Take something out of context? My answer is perfectly referencing the context.
    O'Reilly: We have ten times as many people as you do. That translates to ten times as many accidents, crimes, down the line.

    How much more obtuse can you get?
     
    #19     Jul 28, 2009
  10. Because that's not what he said. In fact he stated that because the US had 10 times the population, it had ten times the accidents, crimes and so forth -- misunderstanding statistics entirely.
     
    #20     Jul 28, 2009