Plain geometry, using trendlines and linear regression lines. Use 2 or 1 min charts of a SP500, plot 8-2 fast stoch and 13 period CCI. Times are the trigger, divergence or a convergence between indicator(s) and a price is a trigger. You have to wait for a divergence to be completed... Hi Walter, I haven't read everthing you've posted at ET. However, I am under the impression that we should use our own trade signals...if such appears...at/near your specified time. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Yet, I do use divergence trade signals and I did get a weak Long signal via divergence. If we are not suppose to use our own trade setups... instead use yours... please elaborate via more details on what your doing via a chart example to reflect your Short entry (spyders at 0959am est at 105.75) or why you didn't get any Long signals during that chop. Thanks. NihabaAshi