Modelling skew dependent on vol of vol

Discussion in 'Options' started by MrMuppet, Oct 7, 2021.

  1. [sigh]

    Awesome. It's so trivial that anyone can do it, just by reading some newspapers.

    Go forth and show us all how it's done.
     
    #41     Oct 12, 2021
  2. Overnight

    Overnight

    So she sold her soul to the devil. A servant of God should not devote themselves to false idols, such as money. She is supposed to serve only God, not her own egotistical self-interest. That's the whole point of becoming a nun and devoting one's self to God! To rise above!

     
    #42     Oct 12, 2021
  3. it365

    it365

    I guess I am still no where near being comfortable with this stuff. I have been perplexed by this last sentence "...trade LVLD hedged with spot". If it is already long delta, how is delta 1 going to hedge the position? Or are we supposed to short delta 1? Tried modeling it in TOS. Didn't make sense either. Please enlighten me.
     
    #43     Oct 12, 2021
  4. destriero

    destriero

    Long vega, long delta (you got that) on index as upside calls are (-)skewed. OTM vols increase as they gain deltas. Hedged with short underlying or skewed structures (ps -> put spreads). You can't model it at static vol. Go long a 20D strike narrow call diagonal and price that (OTM) strike(s) at prevailing ATM vol.
     
    #44     Oct 12, 2021
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  5. it365

    it365

    Thanks a lot @destriero. Had to ponder on it a while. But it was well worth it. I guess, LVLD is more like a direction. With delta being hedged, it's mostly a volatility play. Looking down the SPX chain made it all clear. Thanks for the tip on valuation as well. Hats off to you!
     
    #45     Oct 12, 2021
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  6. destriero

    destriero


    It's a skew play. You're less concerned with your vega than the smile dynamics. Short a put at 100, buy a call at 50, and you've got a $50 credit to lose in spot (hedge). The dynamic hedge is done in spot/futures. Obv as you go further OTM you gain vol-edge but increase risk. >edge, <hedge.

    It gets more complex when you're spreading (verts) in lieu of using short put/long call, OTM strikes. The "revenue side" flips from puts to calls when complex spreads are involved. I cannot go into detail as I spent a week in LV working with ppl on this topic.
     
    #46     Oct 12, 2021
  7. Overnight

    Overnight

    ...Potent potables were involved, surely!
     
    #47     Oct 12, 2021
  8. destriero

    destriero


    I was told that a drank a pitcher of SOTB pre-Hakkasan; six shots of Goose and some (ugh) CR at Hakkasan. Ofc the Crown Royal was straight out of the bottle.

    The girl was $1,000 offer but I was $800 bid. No takers. I have no memory of the event.
     
    #48     Oct 12, 2021
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  9. Overnight

    Overnight

    This is a clear indication that you had a great time. I am quite jealous, because I am darn sure I could drink you under the table. You may know options, but man do I know my liver. Maybe next year. ;-)
     
    #49     Oct 12, 2021
  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    while this statement is true. I believe the converse is a necessary truth as well: You can’t trade skew or vol of vol without taking a directional view.

    Des explained why above
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2021
    #50     Oct 13, 2021
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