You know when you see a train speeding along just a little too fast and you know it's going to jump the track at the nearest turn? Well, you have officially derailed wildly. Yes, they are the official arbiter of start and end dates of recessions -- they are the largest economic research group in the country. All US government departments that require the details of recession start and end dates use the NBER evaluations. Just because you don't like them, or believe that they're part of the grand conspiracy against the victimized Republican party, doesn't reduce their stature to others. But heck, use your own definition of when the recession started -- use two consecutive quarters of declining GDP. I doubt it will be much different as the economy was tanking badly in late 2007/2008. Did they now? Feel free to cite that because I haven't followed the NBER that closely. It will be educational for everyone reading when you cite the NBER's papers on that. By the way, the act that you're trying to refer to, the act that effectively repealed Glass-Steagall was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Just an FYI, Sen. Phil Gramm (R, Texas), Rep. Jim Leach (R, Iowa), and Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R, Virginia), the co-sponsors of the GrammâLeachâBliley Act. Yes, congratulations are in order. Not very long ago, just as Bush was leaving office, there was serious talk among economists of the very possibility of another depression. Are you talking about Iraq? Which war of choice that the Republicans started are you trying to refer to? Obama never promised to "initiate a conclusion" to Afghanistan, and the last combat troops left Iraq a couple of weeks ago. I don't want to get into an explanation of external debt and deficit with you, but the budget was effectively balanced, or incredibly close to balanced, in 2000. (Depending on what debt you count.) So yes, the deficit began again with the election of the Republicans -- which is an excellent reason to not vote Republican if you're a fiscal conservative.
No, the US economy derailed wildly, then ur boy Obama rubbed one off on it with trillion after trillion in bailouts and "stimulus packages" which included everything from million dollar penis washing crusades to urban doorbell projects!! www.stimuluswatch.org Ahh yes, trillions upon trillions of dollars of urban doorbells, clean african dicks,door mat projects, and turkey breast meat promotion for our children and grand children to pay off for the next fcking century!!! Thank you savior Obama!!! Thank you for obligating all americans for the next couple of generations to paying for your clever dick washing stimulus plans and corporate welfare donations. No, NBER are not any "official arbiter" of anything. They are a left wing think tank in cambridge, ma- The epicenter of American socialism. The fact that it's the administrations choice to reference them is a testament to their lack of integrity. The fact that the government uses them makes them less likely to be credible. I never said they were part of any conspiracy, that's just more of your fiction. You can scarcely get through one post without making up a lie about me or falsely quoting me. Again, I'm not offended, I realize it's part of your disorder... Ohh REALLY?!! He didn't say he'd bring the troops home and end the war? Because that sure sounds like what he's saying!! What's that about 'taking that to the bank?" at the end??? <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8VlXfs1K04g?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8VlXfs1K04g?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> LOL!!! That's almost as good as the "9.11 was Bush's fault" schpiel you gave earlier... Iraq still has troops, they still have a us military presence. But no, I was talking about Afghanistan. He took troops out of Iraq and put them INTO Afghanistan. Then sent more. He DID promise to immediately bring our troops home and end the war. It was one of the main points he was elected upon. He lied. We're still fighting a war. We still have troops in both countries. He's a liar. Of course you don't want to get into the debt discussion, because you will get your ass handed to you there just like you have in every other part of this discussion and I'm sure you are tired of getting exposed in post after post, and have probably taken enough of a beating for one night... If I were you, I wouldn't want to "get into it" either... ROFLMAO!!!! The only correct thing you've said in this whole discussion- republicans are not (usually) fiscal conservatives. Like I said- both parties are nearly identical at this point...
Well I can't speak for "penis washing" (actually AIDS research which has been violently misrepresented) but I am curious about "urban doorbell projects" and would like to know what that is about. Are you at all curious what this actually refers to? Well, again the GM bailout was announced by Bush and that was the biggest bailout apart from the financial sector. Much of the private sector bailout money was paid back after there was talk of limiting executive compensation -- funny how they were so desperate for the money and then suddenly didn't need it. Well the median household income with the socialists in Cambridge is over $71,000. The median household income in bootstrappy Maverick county in Texas is under $30,000. Yeah, I know, unfair. I didn't misquote you as I didn't "quote", but I apologize for misrepresenting your views. However, if the National Bureau of Economic Research is not part of a liberal conspiracy, why would they be quoted by the Reagan administration, both Bush administrations and, in fact, all recent administrations and parties? That certainly sounds to me like there's a conspiracy involved with the Republicans pulling the short straw. Yes, he was discussing Iraq and, again, the last combat troops came back a few weeks ago. Mission accomplished. Well in fairness to him, it's hard for him to keep promises that only you think he made.
Actually it's penis washing stupidly misrepresented as AIDS research. But by all means go on believing what you want.
LOL. So those ivory-tower "scientists" wanted to hide their real agenda behind AIDS research, with their REAL agenda being "How can secretly introduce penis washing?" Now, that sounds hilariously ridiculous to me, but now that I think about it a Republican politician might actually want this...
Yes the GM bailout was announced by Bush, thank you for once again confirming my assertion that there is little meaningful difference between the parties. You keep proving mypoints over and over. Just once is satisfactory however. Yes, the average income is higher in MA. So are the prices, costs of living, income tax, real estate tax, gas tax, and sales tax. Normalized for taxation and cost of living, there isn't much difference. Anyways, I can live with that, I realize that it's natural, and not any "injustice". It should bother you a believer in "universal equality" a lot more. Again I never said that the NBER was part of a "liberal conspiracy". You just made that up. It's another piece of your fiction. Another lie that you told about me. One comes up in nearly every post of yours. Again, I realize it's just part of your disorder... He was not tax talking about Iraq. He was talking about the war in the middle east which includes Iraq and Afghanistan. We still have troops and bases in Iraq and we have had a troop surge in Afghanistan. He lied. He didn't only say "end the war in Iraq". He said "end the war", and "end the war in the middle east". He's lied, he didn't end the war. He didn't end gitmo either. The emperor has no clothes.
Really, even one similarity is enough to state that there is little meaningful difference between the parties? You would think that the hundreds of thousands of dead and the country nearly being wiped into another great depression would convince you otherwise. Actually what you're describing is not possible. If MA has a higher income tax, real estate tax, gas tax and sales tax, then no businesses would go there, the universities would move to lower tax states and incomes will naturally be lower than in the more bootstrappy states. That's Republican economics. Again, I apologize for misrepresenting your views, but that view was the only one that I could reach based on the posts here. When you've got Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and the entire Republican congress quoting a liberal, socialist group like the National Bureau of Economic Research, I can only reach one of two conclusions: 1) that the liberals have fooled the Republicans in some very subtle, evil and conspiratorial way, or 2) the Republicans are borderline retards and don't see the obvious liberal conspiracy. Again, these are not your views, just the obvious conclusion from what you've described. Umm... actually he WAS talking about Iraq. In fact, at the top of the video you posted it has the title "Obama's promise to end the Iraq war." It's subtle and cleverly hidden in reverse, big bold type right at the top of your video that you posted. At the top of the screen. In white. Any bigger and it would be an EZ-Reader book.
No, I've noted several similarities. Both exponentially increasef the size and scope of government. Both add to the deficit to the tune of trillions within the first half of their first terms in office. Both trample on the constitution. Both spend absurd amounts of taxpayer money on personal vacations in the midst of horrible recessions. Both either start or continue expensive, pointless wars. Hell at least Bush's invasion of Afghanistan was legitimate. Now nearly 10 years later we have no business there... Neither shut down gitmo, and both failed to secure borders. Both have hosted some of the worst economic times since the great depression, and neither made any meaningful progress towards repairing it. Both have created billions of dollars worth of parasitic pointless new departments, action commitees, bloated beauracracies ad infinitum. I could go on all night, and I've listed several of these points before, you have just chosen to ignore them. As I said, the only meaningful difference in policy is healthcare. They are both big government shills. The rhetoric is very different, but the actual policy is more or less the same. Just because you are stupid enough to buy into the false left/right dichotomy doesn't mean that's reality. Reality is that the policy has been overwhelmingly similar. If you want to knit pick you can find multiple differences, however there are very few substantial and meaningful ones. Are you really saying that MA doesn't have higher taxes than TX? Are you really stupid enough to try to argue that?? ROFL!! I guess I shouldn't be suprised at this point... Btw universities are non profit and/or not for profit and pay little to no taxes wherever they are... Not that I'd expect someone like you to know that... It would help if you'd ever actually attended university... LOL!!!! Appology accepted. Like I said before, I realize lying is probably just part of your mental disorder and making false ad hominems are one of the few tools you have to even hope to win any debate... Regan also quoted Gorby and soviet officials. That doesn't mean he agreed with them. I don't expect your limited critical thinking skills to grant you understanding of that point, but ponder it for a while... He wasn't talking about Iraq exclusively. He was talking about the war in the middle east. Just because whoever posted it on youtube wrote it in the description doesn't mean it's a 100 pct accurate description. Then again, we've already established that your critical thinking leaves something to be desired. However, even if we take your false standard, he said that the first thing he would do when he was in office was to bring our troops home. It's been a couple years now and it still isn't done. Even by your false standards, he's lied. Your unwillingness to acknowledge this fact is a testament to your intellectual and moral bankruptcy. But thanks again for reinforcing all of my points...
Nothing you've listed there is actually policy. (Except, possibly, the "Bush doctrine" of pre-emptive wars.) How could it have higher taxes and a better economy? Think about this. Republican economics tells us that this is not possible. Ah, okay, so the Reagan adminstration, the Ford administration, the Bush administration, the Bush II administration, all Republican congresses, the CBO, the Treasury Department all quote the National Bureau of Economic Research on recessions, but they secretly don't agree with them. Well, it's an interesting perspective. Utterly without evidence or foundation, but interesting. Before you finish declaring victory, here's a transcript of Obama's speech in Des Moines (I'm assuming that this speech is from there, and it's actually from October 12th.) It's a standard stump speech. Perhaps you can point out where he wasn't just referring to Iraq: http://www.asksam.com/ebooks/releases.asp?file=Obama-Speeches.ask&dn=Lessons from Iraq