I am not defending lockdowns but given Texas has 36% less population they are a lot worse off... FLORIDA, TEXAS, AND CALIFORNIA HAVE A FRACTION OF COVID DEATHS OF NEW YORK by CLAY TRAVISabout 21 hours agoupdatedabout 21 hours ago6Comments As the number of confirmed coronavirus cases surged in Florida, Texas, and Arizona over the past six weeks a breathless media covered the daily numbers with fever pitch intensity. America was in the grips of a second wave they gleefully reported, the deaths we’d seen in New York were now poised to descend upon red states that had opened up too quickly. The Republican governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona — Ron DeSantis, Greg Abbott, and Doug Ducey — were lampooned by the national media for their failures. Fear porn laden death predictions came rolling out — we were about to see death on a massive scale in these states. New York’s governor Andrew Cuomo, the worst performing politician in the 21st century, had the audacity to lecture these governors and accuse them of playing politics with the virus. And then, just as the media feeding frenzy was poised to take off to unimaginable levels, the deaths never came. The peaks of these hospitalization outbreaks in Florida, Texas, and Arizona came and went and look at the results left behind: New York is still off the charts when it comes to coronavirus deaths and the governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona have done a pretty good job of keeping their economies, hospitals, and states open while managing the virus increases. Their results were not similar at all to New York’s. Here are thedeaths per 1 million rate in this country for all fifty states: 1. New Jersey 1,792 2. New York 1,685 3. Massachusetts 1,253 4. Connecticut 1,243 5. Rhode Island 953 6. Louisiana 863 7. Michigan 647 8. Illinois 609 9. Delaware 601 10. Maryland 583 11. Mississippi 572 12. Pennsylvania 570 13. Arizona 519 14. Indiana 442 15. Georgia 362 16. South Carolina 345 17. Florida 333 18. Alabama 333 19. Colorado 320 20. New Mexico 312 21. New Hampshire 307 22. Ohio 303 23. Minnesota 293 24. Iowa 279 25. Nevada 271 26. Virginia 260 27. Texas 253 28. California 238 29. Missouri 214 30. Washington 209 31. North Carolina 191 32. Nebraska 172 33. Kentucky 166 34. Wisconsin 163 35. Tennessee 157 36. Arkansas 154 37. South Dakota 153 38. Oklahoma 139 39. North Dakota 138 40. Kansas 123 41. Idaho 110 42. Utah 97 43. Maine 92 44. Vermont 91 45. Oregon 77 46. West Virginia 65 47. Montana 60 48. Wyoming 45 49. Alaska 33 50. Hawaii 18 As you can see, Arizona, Texas and Florida have done infinitely better managing this virus than New York did and, quite honestly, the states aren’t particularly remarkable within the context of the other fifty states coronavirus death rates. But you also see something else on this chart, look how much worse New York (and New Jersey) are than any other state in the country. In fact, it’s not just that New York and New Jersey are awful compared to the other states in this country. These two states literally have the worst death rate in the entire world. By a huge margin. Look at the data comparing New York and New Jersey to death rates anywhere else in the world on a per capita basis: New Jersey 1,792 New York 1,685 Belgium 849 England 680 Spain 608 Peru 594 Italy 582 Sweden 568 Chile 502 United States 478 I mean, this is flat out unbelievable. There were five northeastern states with a higher coronavirus death rate than anywhere else in the world. Which is why the number one story in America ought to be the divergent outcomes in the nation’s four most populous states. California, Florida and Texas have managed the coronavirus with minimal loss of life while New York’s disastrous situation has continued to slide under the radar. But as more data comes rolling in New York’s performance looks worse and worse. Put frankly, it’s impossible to have done a worse job than Andrew Cuomo did. That’s especially the case given the fact that Florida, Texas, and California all now have more confirmed cases than New York and a fraction of the death rate. Consider total confirmed cases as of this morning: California 515,686 Florida 491,884 Texas 454,364 New York 445,146 Now look at the total deaths: New York 32,780 California 9,400 Texas 7,341 Florida 7,157 That’s pretty glaring. How is every media member not looking at this data and asking the question, “How is it possible that New York has fewer cases and more deaths than California, Texas, and Florida combined? Especially when Florida, Texas, and California have 90 million people living in their three states compared to New York’s 19.5 million.” Why are the media in this country protecting Andrew Cuomo from answering real questions about why New York’s death rate is higher than any countries in the world? And why is that New York’s death rate is also so much higher than every other populous state. Remember, the virus didn’t hit New York first, it hit Washington and California first. Indeed, New York’s bungled response to this virus led to almost every other outbreak in this country. (The people who fled New York spread it across the entire country.) Which is why New York’s data becomes even more troubling when you break it down by population. Look at the death rate per 1 million in our nation’s four most populous states: New York 1,685 Florida 333 Texas 253 California 238 New York (and New Jersey) have the two highest coronavirus death rates in the world. In. The. World. If New York had a death rate equal to the average of Florida, Texas, or California, our nation’s three most populous states, it would have had 4,100 people die instead of 32,780. There’s no other way to put this: the leadership of New York governor Andrew Cuomo — and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio — directly contributed to tens of thousands of additional, and unnecessary, deaths in New York state. This is arguably criminal mismanagement by New York’s elected politicians. Yet almost no one in the media is looking at the basic data and asking how such wildly divergent outcomes are possible in our nation’s most populous states. Instead the fear porn purveyors in the media have been trying to convince you that Florida, Texas, and Arizona — which just so happen to have Republican governors — were all going to turn into red state versions of New York. Only…it didn’t happen. Or even come close to happening. Indeed,Florida today reported its lowest number of new daily infections in over a month — 4,866, the lowest positive case percentage in over a month as well, and a decline in deaths of 60% from last Monday. Want an even wilder stat? This is for our buddy, King of the Coronabros, Darren Rovell, the 11 state SEC footprint, that’s Florida, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Kentucky, and Louisiana have fewer deaths than New York state by itself. That’s despite the 11 SEC states having a population of over 100 million compared to New York’s 19.5 million. If New York State had been able to equal the same coronavirus performance as the SEC states, New York would have had 26,000 fewer deaths. Put simply, this protection of Andrew Cuomo is insanity. We don’t really have a nationwide coronavirus issue, we had a complete collapse of governance in the northeast back in March and April and it led to a panic that caused tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths. Rather than try to scare you to death with fear porn laden stories about outbreaks producing a pinprick of deaths compared to New York, every media member covering the coronavirus should be investigating New York and other northeastern states and find out what went wrong there. Politicians in New York didn’t just do an awful job of protecting their states, they may have been criminally negligent. See more Previous articleDeep Dive into July Cable News Ratings: The Five Scores Big, CNN’s Demo Next articleMets, Already 4 Games Back Through 10, Lose Cespedes and Hope Written by Clay Travis Clay Travis is an author, radio show host, lawyer, TV analyst, and the founder and lead writer of Outkick (formerly known as Outkick the Coverage). Read More about Clay >> https://www.outkick.com/florida-texas-and-california-have-a-fraction-of-covid-deaths-of-new-york/ The data showed that the population of California barely budged, growing by just 0.1%, to around 39.5 million people. ... In contrast, the population of Texas, the second-most populous state, grew by 1.3%. That was the fifth-fastest growth rate among states, taking Texas's population to 29 million.Dec 31, 2019
%% Exactly. And the average kill rate is still so low/except among rioters/looters/ over crowded places.Even if the lockdown helped tech; talk radio doctors reminded us of kids logic- in a pandemic= the sick are isolated/NOT THE WHOLE nation!!…………………………………………………….
I take your point about what a "hard shut down" is here in the US. That's why I put the term "locked down" in quotation marks in the post you cited, as it is not a legit lock down in the literal sense of the term.
This article is misleading because the pandemic is still very much ongoing and the real comparison for an ongoing pandemic should be total deaths over total recoveries for a given point in time, not deaths per capita. Given that all medical treatments we have at the moment is symptomatic at best and palliative at worst, I do not expect death rates to vary by much whenever this is completely over (probably in 1-2 year). However, I have been wondering about the death rates discrepancies too. Whenever you see discrepancies so big, there is either a fundamental reason, a fraud of some sort or a combination of the two. A fundamental reason would be that the NY pandemic might be largely over, which is more or less consistent with low and steady death rates per day in the NYC dataset. In that case, in NY we are seeing a completely "burned out" post-COVID environment with little vulnerable population left to die, while elsewhere pandemic is still ongoing. Unfortunately, this is the type of data analysis we will be able to do in a few years when pandemic will be over globally. This said, it's also possible that prevalence of pre-existing conditions was much higher in the NYC but I really doubt it. On the other hand, it's very possible that numbers are manipulated in one or another direction. It would not surprise me if NY State has been counting cases aggressively (though it's unclear what would be the motivation for it), while Texas and Florida has been doing exactly the opposite. This is the type of issue that can be addressed by looking at the changes in the total mortality rate, but again, it's only possible to do so post-hoc.
You don't really believe at that other nonsense do you? Even if half of it were true, people stopped dying (not completely but basically) up in the Northeast, oh btw the densest population region in the country, but now are dying down here in the southeast and out in the southwest. Guess he instead wants the media to renew their fever pitch back up in the northeast. "Look squirrel" routine.