Minimizing noise in Trend identification?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by ninZa.co, Nov 8, 2023.

  1. Zwaen

    Zwaen

    The day I went up in timeframe - "swingtrading" - was the day everything became a lot easier. A lot.
     
    #41     Nov 13, 2023
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  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    Words of wisdom from a wise man.

    To each his own.
     
    #42     Nov 13, 2023
  3. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thank you for your encouragement. :p

    Here is why I want to do it:

    I noticed, even though win rate is ~50/50, 75% of the days were green, why? I stopped whenever sum of trades turned green. Losing days usually happened when I over traded. To me, that could be some sort of martingale effect and not that I have an edge. If so I better find out for sure before I commit to full size.
     
    #43     Nov 13, 2023
  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    Yes and Buffett said his time frame is never, a lot easier than swing.

    Kidding aside, for intraday I am not convinced longer time frame is better. It all depends on your method. It is always a trade off.
     
    #44     Nov 13, 2023
  5. Zwaen

    Zwaen

    I would guess it would be less variables influencing price, significantly.
     
    #45     Nov 13, 2023
  6. themickey

    themickey

    No matter what time frame one chooses, there will be stress which accompanies it.
    Short term trading has its stress; more noise to deal with, more trading action, increased trading tempo, more decision making, more mistakes....
    Longer term has its stress; holding overnight/weekends, impatience, boredom distraction, larger amounts of money tied up maybe doing nothing or turning red....

    We're all wired differently so just find your own niche which is most comfortable.

    Intraday, I would imagine it is the same, a 1 minute or 5 minute bar trading will have more noise than 1 hourly or 4 hourly bars.
    Obviously longer tf bars have more drawdown and thats what we live with.

    My trading will experience several thousand dollars of drawdown each day, most guys can't hack that sort of pain, but the drawdown is not really important, it is whether the system is logical and runs intune with how the competition code their robots.

    Yesterday was a red day on asx but I was up a small $3k in the morning which I thought was ok for a red day, but towards the end of day down a couple of hundred, it didn't fuss me, as today is a new day.
     
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    #46     Nov 13, 2023
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  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    But sometimes, in real time, in shorter time frame, the dynamics of price movement tell a story?
     
    #47     Nov 13, 2023
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  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    What is ensemble methods?
     
    #48     Nov 13, 2023
  9. Specterx

    Specterx

    Just using a diversity of models or inputs to come up with a prediction/forecast/hypothesis. You have a trend metric which you feel gauges price momentum reasonably well most of the time; from there, it's generally better to add factors to your model describing other states or features of the marketplace besides price momentum, versus torturing the metric further with advanced math. At least, that's my opinion and experience.
     
    #49     Nov 14, 2023
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  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thank you for the explanation.

    In other words, you use multiple factors, e.g., momentum, volume, forecast, filters... Out of those, you use a system to rank/factor and come up with a verdict for trading? I guess the devil is in the details.

    Regards,
     
    #50     Nov 14, 2023