Middle East Meltdown and US Foreign Policy.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SouthAmerica, Jul 13, 2006.

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    August 1, 2006

    SouthAmerica: Many of you are in "denial," but again that is the American mindset today for a lot of Americans regarding important issues of our time.

    Very few countries around the world consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization such as the United States, Israel and I can’t name another one.

    But I can name a number of countries that consider Hezbollah to be only a Lebanese organization of freedom fighters including Russia, the European Union, Brazil, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and many more….

    The Russian government published a document last week listing all the organizations that they consider to be a terrorist organization around the world – and Hezbollah was not in that list – and that was not an oversight of the Russian government.

    Quoting from the article that follows: “The Russian Federal Security Service's top official in charge of fighting international terrorism, Yuri Sapunov, said Hamas and Hezbollah were not a major threat to Russia and were not regarded as terrorist groups worldwide.”

    I have been watching the television coverage of the Lebanon/Israel mess on major American television networks and cable including CNN News and others and I have the feeling that their coverage has been tilted completely on behalf of Israel.

    The only two cable television channels that has been giving a more balanced news coverage of the events currently happening in the Middle East are: the “BBC News” and “Europe News” channels.

    I am lucky that I can read other languages other than English, and I can read the news that people are reading in other countries.

    If you are exposed only to the American mainstream media then you have a distorted view of the news of what is happening around the world.



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    “Hezbollah Not on Russia's Terrorist List”
    By HENRY MEYER, Associated Press Writer
    Los Angeles Times - July 28, 2006


    MOSCOW -- Russia on Friday published a list of 17 groups it regards as terrorist organizations, but did not include the Palestinian militant movement Hamas or Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrilla group, both regarded as terrorists in Washington.

    Separately, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Hezbollah must have a say in any agreements in the Middle East crisis, Russian news agencies reported -- another sign of differences between Russia and the United States about the region.

    "Any agreements must be coordinated with all the basic forces in Lebanon, including Hezbollah, as an organization that is represented in the parliament and government of Lebanon," RIA-Novosti reported quoted Lavrov as saying on a plane returning from an Asian security meeting in Malaysia. Hezbollah has 11 members in Lebanon's 128-seat parliament, and two Cabinet ministers.

    The terrorist list, published in the official daily Rossiiskaya Gazeta, included al-Qaida and the Taliban as well as the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, a rebel group fighting for Kashmir's independence from India, and Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood.

    The Russian Federal Security Service's top official in charge of fighting international terrorism, Yuri Sapunov, said Hamas and Hezbollah were not a major threat to Russia and were not regarded as terrorist groups worldwide.

    But he said Russian security agencies took account of international lists of terrorist groups when exchanging intelligence with foreign counterparts.

    Sapunov told Rossiiskaya Gazeta the list of 17 "includes only those organizations which represent the greatest threat to the security of our country." Groups linked to separatist militants in Chechnya and Islamic radicals in Central Asia made the list.

    Russia has come under criticism for its refusal to list Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations.

    Israel is now fighting a ground and air war in Lebanon against Hezbollah guerrillas, who are firing rockets into northern Israel. Israeli forces have also attacked the Gaza Strip to target Hamas militants. Russia has criticized the scale of the Israeli offensive, while the United States has blamed Hezbollah for the violence.

    President Vladimir Putin earlier this year provoked U.S. and Israeli anger by inviting leaders of Hamas to Moscow shortly after their January election victory. The meeting made no progress in softening the group's refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist or foreswear violence.

    Lavrov's reported comment about Hezbollah echoed the arguments Russian officials made for inviting Hamas leaders, when they said that they were dealing with Hamas as an entity that had just come to power in elections.

    Lavrov said that Russia's support for a Hezbollah role in decision-making in the Mideast crisis was shared by European countries and U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, adding: "As for support from the Americans for this position, I have no such information," RIA-Novosti reported.

    The European Union considers Hamas a terrorist organization and along with the United States slapped financial sanctions on the new Hamas-led government. But it does not list Hezbollah as a terrorist group.


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    #151     Aug 1, 2006
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    July 1, 2006

    SouthAmerica: I have been watching a number of television news programs and the reporters and talking-heads interview a number of people in the United States, in Israel and so on. And a lot of people it seems to me are blaming the Lebanese government for not following UN Resolution 1559.

    Everybody it seems to me are blaming the Lebanese government because they did not disarm Hezbollah under that UN resolution – even tough everybody recognizes that Hezbollah is stronger militarily than the Lebanese regular army.

    The same “FOOLS” that passed the other resolution want to pass a new resolution at the United Nations regarding the current Israeli/Lebanese crisis demanding that the Lebanese government and a new UN peacekeeping force disarm Hezbollah.

    It is easier said than done. And this is what Israel and the United States want from the Lebanese government before Israel stop destroying their entire country and kill a lot of civilians in Lebanon.

    If I were the president of Lebanon here is how I would answer to the United Nations, to Israel and to the United States. Here is what I would say on a letter to them:

    You want the Lebanese government to disarm Hezbollah freedom fighters – but the Lebanese government needs a demonstration on how you accomplish such an endeavor. The United States should stop whining about and also of accusing Lebanon of not being able to disarm the Hezbollah freedom fighters.

    First, we want to see the United States which is so gun ho about disarming Hezbollah to show to us how it is done – it must be easy for the United States to demonstrate to us and to the world since the US is supposed to be the only remaining superpower. It will be a piece of cake for them.

    It is a simple test and demonstration for example: the United States is fighting a war in Iraq and in Afghanistan – and both these countries a full of armed militias and freedom fighters – as soon as the United States disarm all these groups in Iraq and in Afghanistan – Lebanon will be able to learn from the United States accomplishments on how to disarm militia groups and freedom fighters.

    After the United States has accomplished that kind of effort on both countries Iraq and Afghanistan and show to the world of what the United States is capable of accomplishing on that regard then the United States will be able to talk at the United Nations from a position of authority - until then don’t waste your time.

    From President of Lebanon
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    #152     Aug 1, 2006
  3. SA's credibility, if there was any left, takes another hit....
     
    #153     Aug 1, 2006
  4. Entities designating Hezbollah as terrorist

    Hezbollah has been labeled a terrorist organization, either in full or part by the following entities:
    List of entities designating Hezbollah as terrorist

    United States - The organisation Hezbollah in full
    Canada - The organisation Hezbollah in full
    Israel - The organisation Hezbollah in full
    United Kingdom - The Hezbollah External Security Organisation
    Netherlands - The Hezbollah External Security Organisation
    Australia - The Hezbollah External Security Organisation
    European Union - No organisational listing, but does list Hezbollah's senior intelligence officer

    The United States, Canada and Israel consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization, claiming that the organization initiates attacks against civilians and ideologically supports such attacks by other similar organizations.

    The United Kingdom, Australia and the Netherlands officially list only the External Security Organization of Hezballah (ESO) as a proscribed organisation.

    In a non-binding resolution adopted by the European Parliament on 10 March 2005, The EU Parliament considered that clear evidence exists of terrorist activities by Hezbollah and recommended that 'The EU Council should take all necessary steps to curtail them'. MEPs urged the EU Council to classify Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation. However, the Council is reluctant to do so.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Entities_designating_Hezbollah_as_terrorist

    Of course SA prefers to side with the russians on this issue, not with the UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands or EU even though it's hard to find worse political prostitutes than the Russians who have always been in bed with the worst dictatiorships and criminal regimes in the world. Ironically even the russians did not include Hezbollah in their terrorist list not because they are not terrorists but because their list "includes only those organizations which represent the greatest threat to the security of Russia."

    SA, you are beginning to seriously disgust me.
     
    #154     Aug 1, 2006
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    DDDooo: List of entities designating Hezbollah as terrorist

    United States - The organisation Hezbollah in full
    Canada - The organisation Hezbollah in full
    Israel - The organisation Hezbollah in full
    United Kingdom - The Hezbollah External Security Organisation
    Netherlands - The Hezbollah External Security Organisation
    Australia - The Hezbollah External Security Organisation
    European Union - No organisational listing, but does list Hezbollah's senior intelligence officer


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    August 2, 2006

    SouthAmerica: It takes 2 seconds for you to create new organizations such as the ones that you listed in most countries around the world:

    First make a list of the names of all countries listed as members of the United Nations.

    Then add the following after the name of each country for example:

    Mexico: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Costa Rica: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Grenada: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Haiti: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Puerto Rico: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Cuba: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Jamaica: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Japan: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Guam: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Tahiti: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Bora Bora: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Taiwan: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Nepal: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Liechtenstein: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Luxembourg: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Greenland: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Monaco: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Hong Kong: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Macao: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Lebanon: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Syria: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    Iran: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    The Amish country, PA: The Hezbollah External Security Organisation

    And so on…..

    That way you can make every country around the globe against Hezbollah.

    It does mean anything?

    No.

    But it will make you happy on your state of complete delusion.



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    #155     Aug 2, 2006
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    DDDooo: Of course SA prefers to side with the russians on this issue, not with the UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands or EU even though it's hard to find worse political prostitutes than the Russians who have always been in bed with the worst dictatiorships and criminal regimes in the world.


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    August 2, 2006

    SouthAmerica: DDDooo said:” though it's hard to find worse political prostitutes than the Russians who have always been in bed with the worst dictatiorships and criminal regimes in the world.”

    In comparison - we are so wonderful and good that I am going to cry – You are bringing tears to my eyes DDDooo.

    We were never pals with Saddam Hussein during a decade when he was fighting a war against Iran where over one million people died. We had nothing to do with the overthrow of Allende in Chile and the torture and killing of thousands of people in that country under our wonderful ruthless dictator Pinochet (He was a “good ruthless dictator” – he was our kind of dictator) We had nothing to do with the junta in Argentina – they were “adorable ruthless generals” who also were responsible for torturing and killing thousands of people in Argentina in the 1980’s.

    We are like Saints and we just spread goodwill and our type of democracy around the world (Chile under Pinochet, or Argentina under the junta) and we never have been in bed with ruthless dictators and criminal regimes at any time in our history.

    We can start here and go from there....



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    #156     Aug 2, 2006
  7. bsmeter

    bsmeter


    Except for Netherlands and the EU in general, much of the media ( and therefore by extension the populations and thereby by extension the governments) in the countries you listed is controlled by Zionist entities. Heck, Mr. Zionist himself, Rupert Murdoch owns most of the media in the UK, US, Australia and New Zealand ( He's working on infiltrating Asia now, but the public there is way too smart for his type)

    United States, Canada, UK, Australia have one thing in common. English and a similar system of government that allows a small powerful and well organized zionist minority to control govt policy. and shape public opinion. Even then the European faction of the Zionist global cabal specifically seperate the internal and external Hezbollah entities (based on your information). I guess you guys have some more political black mailing to do in those countries.

    It's interesting that in rest of the non-english speaking world , where the Zionist propaganda machine has failed to penetrate through to the masses, the public opinion is more even keeled and well balanced since they have their own independent sources of new gathering.
     
    #157     Aug 2, 2006
  8. I'll bet you have never lived abroad.




     
    #158     Aug 2, 2006
  9. You don't even understand what you are talking about, those are not some mythical organizations in various countries that consider Hezbollah a terrorist group. The GOVERNMENTS of the Netherlands, Australia, UK etc designate Hezbollah or at least its militant branches like The Hezbollah External Security Organisation as a terrorist organization. Got it stupid?



    That's not just Israel and US, the position is shared by Austarlia, the UK, Canada and even the EU. But you certainly have every right to side with the Russians, or North Koreans, or Iranians or Fidel Castro. So far you've made a complete idiot out of yourself though.
     
    #159     Aug 2, 2006
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    DDDooo: That's not just Israel and US, the position is shared by Austarlia, the UK, Canada and even the EU.


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    August 2, 2006

    SouthAmerica: You guys are Pathetic.

    The only countries that you keep repeating over and over again that recognizes Hezbollah as a terrorist organization are the same countries that make the “Coalition of Fools” in Iraq – US, UK, Australia. Then you add Canada and Israel to your list.

    By the way, stop including the European Union to your list because the EU does not recognize Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.

    “Hezbollah Not on Russia's Terrorist List”
    By HENRY MEYER, Associated Press Writer
    Los Angeles Times - July 28, 2006

    …The European Union considers Hamas a terrorist organization and along with the United States slapped financial sanctions on the new Hamas-led government. “But it does not list Hezbollah as a terrorist group.”

    I said: “But I can name a number of countries that consider Hezbollah to be only a Lebanese organization of freedom fighters including Russia, the European Union, Brazil, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and many more….”

    Ten days ago a few thousand people met at the border of Brazil, Argentina, and Paraguay and it is very clear to me that these countries also don’t consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization – they consider Hezbollah to be freedom fighters.

    The list of countries that consider Hezbollah a terrorist group is very short and includes the usual suspects.

    The only countries that should be afraid of Hezbollah are the countries that are involved directly or indirectly on the destruction of Lebanon. And the entire world knows which countries are involved in that calamity…..


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    #160     Aug 2, 2006