Micro CL contract - support the introduction by CME - petition

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by steve2222, Nov 13, 2019.

  1. MattZ

    MattZ Sponsor

    On a site that is dedicated to human rights, economic justice, and health issues there is a petition for Micro crude. Yes, that is the most diplomatic way to convince the CME.
     
    #21     Nov 13, 2019
  2. clacy

    clacy

    While we’re at it, wishing micro futures into existence.....

    please bring junk and muni bond contracts
     
    #22     Nov 13, 2019
  3. bone

    bone

    So in other words, you might be able to scalp enough micro CL to maybe cover your exchange fees and brokerage. Because those don’t become “micro“ in a correlated fashion.

     
    #23     Nov 14, 2019
  4. CL last was 57.54 so the value of a contract is $57,540.00

    Now, my point is that at a 1/10 sizing, the contract for 100 barrels (physical deliv.) is pretty much useless. Too small for anybody in the industry to care about.

    Retail would want to trade a $5,754.00 contract? Why? Might as well just trade the calendar.

    Now, the real pressing issue is how can we get more liquidity in the Ultra Bonds. The market likes to widen out to a two tick spread sometimes. What can be done by CBOT to get some more size on the book? Ultra Bond futures are the cat's ass.

    Ultra bonds are what needs innovations. Didn't I hear something about this in the news recently?

    Somebody get CME and CBOT on this.

    NEED MORE LIQUIDITY ON THE BACK END OF THE CURVE!
     
    #24     Nov 14, 2019
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  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    You lack vision.
     
    #25     Nov 14, 2019
  6. Why don't you just spread the front month against the next expiry Overnight? Why would you need a five thousand dollar contract?

    What do you want this micro CL for anyway?
     
    #26     Nov 14, 2019
  7. Overnight

    Overnight

    Don't try to champion your UB cause here in a micro CL thread. Oy!

    Why do you need more liquidity in the ultrabond? There is a time and a place for everything. Your UB moaning in this thread is not it.
     
    #27     Nov 14, 2019
  8. tomtr27

    tomtr27 Guest

    Done.
     
    #28     Nov 14, 2019
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  9. bone

    bone

    And that’s pretty much the point - the Commercials that hold Junk and Municipal Paper are not looking for “micro” contracts to hedge.

    “Micro” anything will only attract short term speculators looking to pick each other off. Which is why if you’re smart and marginally capitalized you’d trade USO or spreads or micro emini equity contracts.

    Micro CL for anyone not experienced trading thin, gappy, highly volatile markets will be predictably sodomized.

    I’ve never seen someone scalp Gold or CL and not take some serious (sometimes fatal) lumps before they got it right.

    So, careful what you ask for. Become highly proficient at QM first because QCL is a whole other world. Gaps, sweeps, and terror.


     
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    #29     Nov 14, 2019
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  10. steve2222

    steve2222

    Maybe if CME/NYMEX had created the QM with the same tick size as CL it would have been more successful to date. 0.025 tick size is crazy - IMO.
     
    #30     Nov 14, 2019