Michael Moore

Discussion in 'Politics' started by tradetard, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    "...worry about that all thanks to CAPITALISM! "
     
    #21     Oct 2, 2009
  2. I offer a critique of Michael Moore's general attitudes and perspectives. I am not even criticizing too much of his political thoughts except through maybe that subtle implication, but my attack is entirely personal and not based on any sort of fundamental ideological disagreement. It is particularly not an attack on his right to speak his nonsense. Hence, "Michael Moore is a whiny bitch" is simply a comment on the personal attitudes of Michael Moore. I don't say that we (i.e. government or society at-large) should make him shut the F up or throw him in a cell and throw away the key. Some of the countries he models his ideas after might do that. I simply say, once again,
    Michael Moore is a whiny bitch.
     
    #22     Oct 2, 2009
  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    This "argument" outs you as nothing more than a griefer.
     
    #23     Oct 2, 2009
  4. Whatever, man. Let's get back to the original point of the thread and I'll try to get you engaged here: Do you think Michael Moore is a whiny bitch? What are your perceptions of him as a person and professional. Thanks for your input.
     
    #24     Oct 2, 2009
  5. Michael Moore is a socialist piece of shit. He is bashing the very system that has made him rich and famous. If it weren't for capitalism, nobody would have even heard the name Michael Moore. When he's sitting in his mansion, counting his dollars, do you really think he's upset with capitalism? Fucking hypocrite.
     
    #25     Oct 2, 2009
  6. Ricter

    Ricter

    We all depend on other people to survive--we are social animals. So does that mean we cannot critique other people?
     
    #26     Oct 2, 2009
  7. The response to michael moore from some people is all too predictable. Just as they hate Gore, "liberal media", "liberal professors", "godless liberals", etc.

    One of his first documentaries was about Roger Smith, then chairman of general motors (titled "roger and me") Roger Smith was one of the biggest degenerate scumbags ever imagined and a hopelessly incompetent buffoon. General Motors was shown as a heartless and dysfunctional company then. Fast forward to present day: General motors is essentially a zombie. Maybe, just maybe, Michael Moore was right?

    His documentary bowling for columbine concerned the issue of school shootings, I would say virginia tech massacre proved that the issue is legitimate and not artificially created by michael moore.

    What about fahrtenheit 9/11? Well W is shown there as incompetent and evil. Fast forward to inauguration of Obama and W leaves office with one of the lowest approval ratings EVER. Michael Moore was right again.

    Sicko concerned the issue of health insurance companies. It did not concern itself with people who lacked insurance coverage but with people who had it and thought they were covered.
    I despise health insurance companies because I experienced their shady dealings on my own when I got quoted 150/month but later jacked up to 300/month because I was "overweight" from blue cross blue shield. bait and switch if there was one.

    Michael Moore serves a valuble function in society as opposed to idiot glenn beck.
     
    #27     Oct 2, 2009
  8. "declaring the universally irrefutable truth..."

    Yep, this person who wrote the above is
    of course a Fox News viewer...as if that wasn't bloody obvious...
     
    #28     Oct 2, 2009
  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    I think he's just one of those "pro" griefers.
     
    #29     Oct 2, 2009
  10. good response to the fat methane producer:


    http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2009/09/23/lying_propaganda

    Lying Propaganda
    by Walter E. Williams


    Michael Moore's new film, "Capitalism: A Love Story" will be released next month. I've neither seen nor read reviews of the film, except for a short piece in the London Telegraph (9/6/09) titled "Michael Moore film calls capitalism evil." Aware of Michael Moore's previous films, I know that it will be at best a misleading story about capitalism. So let's do some defensive mental preparation, not about the film but what is and what is not capitalism.

    Capitalism is an economic system characterized by private ownership and control over the means of production. The distribution of goods and services and their prices are mainly determined by competition in a free market. Under such a system the primary job of government is to protect private property, enforce contracts and ensure rule of law.

    There has never been a pure free market capitalistic system just as there has never been a pure communist or socialist system, where there is government ownership of the means of production and each individual has equal access to society's resources. However, we can rank economies as to whether they are closer to capitalism or closer to communism or socialism. If one ranked countries according to whether they were closer to the capitalistic end of the spectrum or the socialistic or communistic end, then ranked countries according to per capita GDP and finally rank countries according to Freedom House's "Map of Freedom in the World," he would find a pattern that is by no means a coincidence. The people in those countries closer to the capitalist end of the economic spectrum have far greater income and enjoy greater human rights protections than those toward the socialist and communist end.

    According to the London Telegraph article, Moore's film features priests who say capitalism is anti-Christian by failing to protect the poor. This is pure nonsense and revealed as such by asking, "If you're an unborn spirit, condemned by God to a life of poverty but allowed to choose the country in which to be poor, would you choose a country near the communist end of the economic spectrum or the capitalist end?" If you chose the United States, you'd find that according to the government surveys, the typical "poor" American has cable or satellite TV, two color TVs, and a DVD player or VCR. He has air conditioning, a car, a microwave, a refrigerator, a stove, and a clothes washer and dryer, and whether he has health insurance or not, he is able to obtain medical care when needed. Try to find that in Cuba, Russia, China or North Korea. If we buy into the nonsense of Moore's priests, the world's poor people are incredibly stupid. Whether fleeing legally or illegally, their destination country is likely to be closer to capitalism than their departure country.

    Most of our country's serious problems can be laid at the feet of Congress and the White House and not at capitalism. Take the financial crisis. One-third of the $15 trillion of mortgages in existence in 2008 are owned, or securitized by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Ginnie Mae, the Federal Housing and the Veterans Administration. Banks didn't mind making risky loans and Wall Street buyers didn't mind buying these repackaged loans because they assumed that they would be guaranteed by the federal government: read bailout by taxpayers. Under a capitalist system, financial institutions would not have been intimidated or encouraged into making risky loans and neither would they have been bailed out if they did so.

    Social Security, Medicare and its coverage of prescription drugs have an unfunded liability that exceeds $100 trillion. When those roosters come home to roost, they will make the financial meltdown we've been though look like child's play.

    Not withstanding all of the demagoguery, it is capitalism not socialism is that made us a great country and its socialism that will be our undoing.
     
    #30     Oct 2, 2009