meditation as a way to calm trading angsts

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by amg, May 21, 2003.

  1. Merc

    Merc

    It's beautiful!
     
    #111     May 30, 2003
  2. chessman

    chessman Guest

    I would take issue with that statement, hypnosis I find is one of the most misunderstood subjects. There are various types of hypnosis, what you described above should probably be used in a medical clinical setting, dentist do root canals and surgeons have know to do leg amputations without any sedatives.

    Hypnosis goes back thousands of years. It was practiced in ancient Egypt by priests at the highest level. This knowledge was deemed so secretive that they required a 14 year initiation before a person was deemed trustworthy to be included in their inner circle.

    I would urge you to study the work of Milton Erikson. He was brilliant at getting information from the subconscious mind, getting to the root cause of issues and then offering remedy.

    http://www.erickson-foundation.org/
     
    #112     May 30, 2003
  3. Zuizo

    Zuizo

    Exactly!


    Ahh, to be ready... so simple :)


    The mind... such a busy child, just gonna be "ready", just like that huh? :)

    Sounds like Magik

    Peace and good trading,

    -- Z
     
    #113     May 30, 2003
  4. Claims that cannot be proved cannot be taken seriously. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and not just any evidence.
     
    #114     May 31, 2003
  5. So, if I add meditation to my binge drinking, I will be on the road to ultimate relaxation and self-discovery?

    I'M IN!!!
     
    #115     May 31, 2003
  6. Yannis

    Yannis

    Wally,

    Although I agree with you in principle, I have to admit to some hesitation to accepting this statement at face value unchallenged.

    As you may know, there's a power struggle between the "hard sciences" like chemistry, physics, etc, and the "soft sciences" like psychology, sociology, etc, as to what constitutes "scientific proof."

    The physicists etc favor what they call "objective proof," although no proof can be totally objective because human beings ultimately have to evaluate the data the lead us to believe that the proof was objective (witness the ongoing disagreements between the proponents of quantum mechanics and those of special relativity, not to mention the theory of general relativity which is treated as being true although there has been no real proof at all, just elegant mathematics.)

    On the other hand, a psychologist is perfectly content in getting to a "inter-subjective proof" where may subjects agree that a certain subjective phenomemon works. For example, what is the proof that humans dream? That love is (one of) the strongest motivation(s) we can have? Everything that Freud, Young, et al wrote and practiced? These human experiences are accepted solely on the basis of inter-subjective agreement: many people agree that these things happen to them.

    (...frankly, imo, the relevance of technical analysis to successful trading falls in the same category...)

    I have a PhD in Physics, High Energy Theory, from UVA. My dissertation included the dispersion behavior of quarks. I have never seen, touched, tasted, heard or smelled one of those little things, nor has anyone else. But, everybody (at least, most people) in the hard sciences arena believe that they are there. And they hand out degrees to their disciples every day.

    On the other hand, I have also been meditating for over 30 years. I know from direct experience that extraordinary phenomena do happen during (or, if you will, because of) meditation. Everybody (at least most people) in the soft sciences arena, agree that these things are a reality. As a minimum, the meditating subject believes the experiences are there, but since we are talking about the subjective realm, that's good enough.

    Will there ever be a reconciliation of the two sides? Will we be able to "prove" in a hard sciences way, that meditative experiences do happen? Yes, I think so. For example, by monitoring the brain functions of experienced medidators, one sees much higher level of coherence, etc etc. There's a lot of ground breaking work that is being done in this field.

    The opposite (proving a hard fact in a soft way) can easily be demonstrated: hypnotize a bunch of physicists and they'll see all sorts of new elementary particles coming out of each other's ears. Isn't this why some claimed that they had "proof" of cold fusion in the lab a few years ago? Hypnosis, paranoid group-think, extreme (blinding) desire to get the Nobel prize, what's the difference?

    Do you want proof? Try it and let us know if a good form of meditation helps your trading as it does mine.

    In the meantime, let me say this: it will be much harder to catch a good trade by going against the trend, off Fib extensions - I promise you that! And yet, some people are still attempting to trade this way :)
     
    #116     May 31, 2003
  7. JWS11

    JWS11

    Yes, that's totally true. Now, add driving fast cars to the equaltion and the trip will be short... three strikes, you're out! :D
     
    #117     May 31, 2003
  8. JWS11

    JWS11

    Yannis:

    Excellent point - I'm with you 100% :cool:
     
    #118     May 31, 2003
  9. DT-waw

    DT-waw

    I think levitation, ability to bend spoons, attract metal objects to the body can be all connected phenomenas. Some form of magnetic or electromagnetic power, perhaps. Yannis, please tell us something more on this subject.
     
    #119     Jun 1, 2003
  10. all that stuff is bs
     
    #120     Jun 1, 2003