Median Incomes vs. Price of Housing

Discussion in 'Economics' started by jsv416, Sep 5, 2006.

  1. ElCubano


    i cant wait to see a burst...i am in a nice position to take my neighbors to the cleaners... :D
    #31     Sep 6, 2006
  2. High beta stocks also decline first in a coming stock market decline.
    #32     Sep 6, 2006
  3. Thank you. I prefer data to unsubstantiated gloom and doom predictions. As the saying goes: The primary reason we have economic forecasts is to make astrology respectable"

    #33     Sep 6, 2006
  4. moo


    So they are. The housing bubble is almost global.

    At this point in time a house is likely to be a far worse investment than gold or silver. If you trade your house for gold, you'll probably be able to afford at least four times as much house in a few years.
    #34     Sep 6, 2006
  5. Pabst


    If I could live in a bullion cube I'd make that swap.:)

    I agree, somewhat. I'm certainly more bullish on gold than RE but at the end of the day they should move together. That's not to say one can't clearly out perform the other.
    #35     Sep 6, 2006
  6. S2007S


    why do some here believe there is no bubble, dont you read the articles and watch whats going on around you.
    #36     Sep 6, 2006
  7. RE is like politics, it is local and extrapolating what is going around you and assuming it is global is a mistake. In my home area, RE is in a mini boom. Where I have a condo, S. Fl. while in a bit of a slump still sees prices double what they were a few years ago-hardly a bubble bursting. Yes, they are down about 10% from a year ago while the flipping craze was at its peak and have settled down a bit. Nationally, prices are according to the NAHP up 0.3% year over year for July again hardly a bubble bursting. For single family homes, the bubble can be seen by the average price rising 1.5%.


    The articles you read may say bubble, but show me the data that supports it on a global basis, not in some isolated pocket where craziness prevailed the past few years.

    #37     Sep 6, 2006
  8. Pabst


    I believe RE is over valued and that prices will contract. Perhaps even 30-40% in the deserts of the SW and 25% in Florida. Bubble? As in JNPR March of 2000? Nah. Where? I was looking at San Diego listings the other day. Expensive. No doubt. However given that it's a scenic jewel with the best climate in the wealthiest nation on earth, I don't find the prices stratospheric. In fact compared to L.A. it's actually reasonable. Am I surprised that several thousand people in the free world can afford homes 2mil and up from LaJolla on north? Hardly.

    Two anecdotes. I lost quite a bit of money in 1993 shorting S&P's in the 400's. All time high prices. To this day we've never seen those levels again. So while homes may fill in the "bubble" part of this run-up, i.e. 2003 on, I doubt we'll EVER see 1996 prices again. Secondly being that I've always been in the trading business I've never known what "professionals" in my age bracket make. I got my first inkling about ten years ago when I was dating a 30yo woman who had a job at an ad agency. Her salary? A buck and a half per year. Her savings? 300k. In 1996 dollars to boot. So am I surprised that her and her equally well paid husband are now living in a million dollar home? Shit they're not breaking a sweat in paying it off. For all I know she's got a million salted away by now. There's more folks out there in those situations that we'd like to admit.

    One last thing. In the City of Chicago the public schools suck. Much the same in most big cities. In the suburbs certain school districts are prime. So if it costs 15k a year in tuition for city dwellers then suburbanites get off the hook for just property taxes. 3 kids at New Trier. $45,000 worth of free education in exchange for 10k or so in property tax. A good deal. A GREAT deal. So if I throw that caveat in then the 800k for an old farm house in East Wilmette looks pretty cheap.

    #38     Sep 6, 2006
  9. Rents to value and rents to carry. Never seen such a disparity. A $600,000 home in Reno rents for $1,800. Never had so many spec buyers been this far underwater.
    #39     Sep 7, 2006
  10. With so much talk about the housing bubble and so many shorts on the housing stocks; maybe it is time to start looking to go long the builders as many of them are down 40-50% or more from their highs.

    #40     Sep 7, 2006