MCD is in big trouble. May not exist in 5 years

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by hajimow, Apr 15, 2015.

  1. xandman

    xandman

    Effective thread starts require a little sensationalism. I don't have a problem with experienced ET members using it because you can expect a valid dialogue.
     
    #81     Jun 11, 2015
  2. bone

    bone

    I agree that MCD has subpar food even for fast food, and yes the franchise owners are pissed about the constant menu changes and expenses. It is spot on that there are much better fast food alternatives in the same price point in terms of quality and taste. I would imagine that if we are trading in the low 80's handle it's a short - but timing it here is very risky as we have been trading in a range for years. The market is aware of MCD's manifest problems, but they aren't hammering it at the moment.

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    #82     Jun 11, 2015
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  3. ironchef

    ironchef

    xandman, your chart only tells half the story. By normalizing every year to 100, you missed the most important aspect of the health of MCD - revenue growth:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=mcd&ql=1

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=MCD&annual

    You see, revenue has been declining and the decline accelerated in the last year. Your chart actually showed the desperation of prior management, instead of trying to arrest the decline in sales, they tighten cost control so much that very likely they hurt the business and revenue growth instead (but masked the problems). We call this a downward spiral. That was probably why the board fired him.

    On the positive side, operating margin, return on equity, return on capital are all exemplary but as I said, coupled with declining sales, those are actually a sad story.

    I am actually most impressed with their US federal corporate tax rate (of ~36% in 2014), which is the maximum the US government charges companies. They are one of the very few that paid the max rate. Even companies we think of as progressive, like AAPL, MSFT....paid much much less taxes. Folks that criticize MCD, especially the liberals should take note. They may not pay their workers well but they sure paid more than their fair share of tax.

    I just want to have a good discussion of business fundamentals and different view points.

    Cheers.
     
    #83     Jun 11, 2015
  4. xandman

    xandman

    That's a very interesting chart. Wasn't there concern's about the "magic formula" in early 2000? It would be good to revisit that. That may have been what led to the drop in 2002.

    Noteable is how resilient MCD was back in the recession in mid-2000.
     
    #84     Jun 11, 2015
  5. xandman

    xandman


    Normalizing is standard analytical procedure. We all know about the decline in Revenues which has been highlighted in every press report. These guys are probably just right sizing. better when the next recession hits.

    I don't know when the tide turns for revenues. Remember MCD can easily buy the next Chipotle and leverage their economies of scale. Not that these guys are slugs. They also have Product Managers of P&G quality.
     
    #85     Jun 12, 2015
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  6. hajimow

    hajimow

    Lower highs in B and C compared to A and then it fails to break A in D and if it breaks level F, it will attract more shorts. The critical level is $88.
     
    #86     Jun 12, 2015
  7. xandman

    xandman

    I think Bone's chart is more telling. $88 is just an expansion of the range. It has a greater downside at the low 80's but that would require the nudge of a recession for a mass exodus.

    Would be nice to see research on the 2002 move.
     
    #87     Jun 12, 2015
  8. hajimow

    hajimow

    I am not expecting $88 to happen anytime soon. recently MCD has become directionless. When market is up, MCD does not follow the market and in down days does not fall that hard.
     
    #88     Jun 12, 2015
  9. xandman

    xandman

    Check out KO. Another LV stock meandering and at the bottom of it's range.

    The whole category, which is classic B&H, is lagging. If there is no pick up in the Fall or after a Sep rate hike, I am thinking that big money is largely out of the market and longs are mostly bagholders.
     
    #89     Jun 14, 2015
  10. hajimow

    hajimow

    That is my personal opinion. My point was that you cannot extrapolate the future from past. Many great companies like Blackberry, Circuit city ,.... got bankrupt because things change and evolve and they cannot adapt. I see MCD cannot and will not be able to compete with other new restaurants like Chipotle, Panera, Starbucks (a big competitor although you might just call it a coffee shop which is not true). Big companies burst out quick if things don't go well. JC Penny, K Mart,....
    16 months of consecutive drop in sales is an eye opener.
     
    #90     Jun 14, 2015