Materialists

Turok · May 6, 2004

Row? Row, are you there? You have been SERVED!!!

JB

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That's it?

If everything is "right, wrong, both, and every other possibility," why bother reading contemporary philosophy? Why not just read the label on a can of chili instead?

Do you deny that if nothing awaits us, a life of tortored pain and a life of blissful serenity are equal and indistinguishable at their close, and that it doesn't really matter what happens to you, or your children, or your children's children, because all await the same oblivion in which none of their joy, none of their pain, ever mattered at all?

Do you deny that if the above is true, that all sense of purpose, all truth, beauty, love and actions of posterity become meaningless and pointless at the very moment you die, and were thus meaningless and pointless the whole time you were alive?

Do you deny that a consistent atheist must thus accept that personal fulfillment in the here and now can be the only logical standard for someone who believes in no ultimate purpose and no absolute truth?

Do you deny that it is foolishness to construct a standard for yourself out of whole cloth, as Nietsche instructs, and then to criticize someone else who is "spiritual" for doing the same thing?

Do you deny that your hypocrisy is actually greater than that of the man who believes in absolute truth and eternal purpose, because at least that man is acting in accord with his true beliefs, whereas you are actively denying yours (in pretending that you have purpose when you know you don't)?

When you look at the logical conclusion of nothingness- immediate fulfillment the only end and the ultimate justification of all means- it proffers an uncanny similarity to the unthinking, unrestrained animal, don't you think? The beast in the forest who kills and ruts and takes, thinking only of the moment, stripped of all the false considerations of things like truth, beauty and love?

Let the exotic philosophers be. Speak now, and strike down the God idiot in your own words.
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LongShot · May 6, 2004

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Row? Row, are you there? You have been SERVED!!!

JB
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yea i notice your mouth shut tight as well (i wanna say smthg but i am a little afraid of the dark myself )

Turok · May 6, 2004

Hey, Row and I have little in common when it comes to philosophy of life so I'll just watch this one. I think Row is in over his head frankly.

JB

Quote from LongShot:

yea i notice your mouth shut tight as well (i wanna say smthg but i am a little afraid of the dark myself )
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rowenwood · May 6, 2004

Quote from darkhorse:

That's it?

YES AND NO.

If everything is "right, wrong, both, and every other possibility," why bother reading contemporary philosophy? Why not just read the label on a can of chili instead?

BECAUSE I'VE DECIDED TO.

Do you deny that if nothing awaits us, a life of tortored pain and a life of blissful serenity are equal and indistinguishable at their close,

THEY ARE AND AREN'T.

and that it doesn't really matter what happens to you, or your children, or your children's children, because all await the same oblivion in which none of their joy, none of their pain, ever mattered at all?

EVERYTHING MATTERS AND DOESN'T MATTER. IT DEPENDS ON ONES DECISIONS OR OPINIONS. ONE DAY ONE WILL CARE ANOTHER DAY ONE WILL NOT, WHIMSICAL AND ARBITRARY.

Do you deny that if only blackness awaits you, all sense of purpose, all truth, beauty, love and actions of posterity become meaningless and pointless at the very moment you die, and were thus meaningless and pointless the whole time you were alive?

YES AND NO. TONIGHT I'LL SAY YES BECAUSE ARGIUGN IS FUN.

Do you deny that a consistent atheist must thus accept that personal fulfillment in the here and now can be the only logical standard for someone who believes in no ultimate purpose and no absolute truth?

I'M AGNOSTIC. I WAS AN ATHEIST, A NIHILIST, AND A CHRISTIAN. I NEVER TOUGHT THAT WAY. I'VE HEARD THAT BUDHISTS ARE INTO THE NOW.

Do you deny that it is foolishness to construct a standard for yourself out of whole cloth, as Nietsche instructs, and then to criticize someone else who is "spiritual" for doing the same thing?

YES AND NO. NO WHEN I DECIDED TO PLAY THE LOGIC GAME.

Do you deny that your hypocrisy is actually greater than that of the man who believes in absolute truth and eternal purpose, because at least that man is acting in accords with his true beliefs, whereas you are actively denying yours (in pretending that you have purpose when you know you don't)?

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACURATELY JUDGE WHO IS MORE HYPOCRITICAL. I'M PROBABLY MORE HYPOCRITICAL. I'M HYPOCRITICAL OF MY HYPOCRACY. I ADMIT MY HYPOCRISY, DO YOU? I HATE HUMANS YET I'M ONE. I'M IN REBELION OF MANY FACETS MY EXISTENCE, "AGAINST NATURE."

When you look at the logical conclusion of nothingness- immediate fulfillment the only end and the ultimate justification of all means- it proffers an uncanny similarity to the unthinking, unrestrained animal, don't you think?

MY IDEA OF THE CONCLUSION OF NOTHINGNESS IS NOTHING MATTERS. IF ONE ACTS WITHOUT PLANNING AND WITHOUT THE IDEAS OF PURPOSE OR MEANING THEN ONE IS ACTING LIKE A NIHILIST.

ANIMALS HAVE INTUITIVE AND DECIDED PURPOSES. SO A NIHILIST WOULDN'T BE ANIMALISTIC BECAUSE ANIMALS HAVE PURPOSES AND AREN'T INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO REALIZE THE POINTLESSNESS OR NOTHINGNESS OF THEIR ACTIONS. ONLY PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF REALIZING AND DECIDING
THAT EVERYTHING MATTERS OR DOESN'T MATTER. SOME PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN CAPABLE OF THIS BASIC REALIZATION.

The beast in the forest who kills and ruts and takes, thinking only of the moment, stripped of all the false considerations of things like truth, beauty and love?

I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THAT BEAST ISN'T HAVING THOUGHTS FOREIGN TO MAN. SOME ANIMALS SEE COLORS THAT HUMANS CANNOT. I DO UNDERSTAND THE POINT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE, AND I DISAGREE.

Let the exotic philosophers be. Speak now, and strike down the God idiot in your own words.

MY OWN HATRED OF GOD IDIOTS HAS MANY SIMILARITIES TO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE GOD IDIOTS.
INSTEAD OF HEAVEN I'VE TRANSCENDANCE THROUGH INTELLIGENCE. INSTEAD OF PRAYER I'VE SELF LOVE. ONLY WHEN WE PLAY THE GAME OF LOGIC WILL I SEEM (HENCE THE WORD SEEM BECAUSE THERE IS NO ULTIMATE TRUTH) SUPERIOR TO A GOD IDIOT. MY HATRED OF GOD IDIOTS ISN'TONLY DUE TO THE LOGIC BUT ALSO BECUASE OF MY EXTREME AVERSION OF THE AESTHETICS OF SPIRITUALITY. I FIND SPIRITUALISM TO BE SO BANAL THAT I'M UTTERLY OPPOSED TO IT AS AN ARTIST, AND AS A PERSON CAPABLE OF REASONING. MY AESTHETIC OPINION, MY AESTHETIC REASONING LEADS ME TO INFER THAT AESTHETICALLY I'M RIGHT AND GOD IDIOTS ARE WRONG. AESTHETICALLY AND LOGICALLY I'M ANNOYED BY GOD IDIOTS. I HOPE THIS MAKES SENSE. I'VE NOT THE PATIENCE TO WRITE A LINEAR ESSAY. IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW I THINK, GO READ MY -POEM- THREAD; FIND IT ONE CHITCHAT PAGE TWO OR THREE.

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LongShot · May 6, 2004

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Row? Row, are you there? You have been SERVED!!!

JB
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so are you axe

rowenwood · May 6, 2004

Dark can throw any line he wants at me and I'll deduce it for him. Why don't you paste some Wittgenstein? Your nihilism was exploded in the sixties, get over it. POMO has been here, and is the now.

Note: no one can beat me. If dark were as pedantic with the right material he would be more advanced in philosophical thought than me. Unfortunately his ideas are antiquated which means all his pedantry is worthless against my less academic but more current and more powerful philosophy.

LongShot · May 6, 2004

Quote from rowenwood:

Dark can throw any line he wants at me and I'll deduce it for him. Why don't you paste some Wittgenstein? Your nihilism was exploded in the sixties, get over it. POMO has been here, and is the now.

Note: no one can beat me. If darky was as pedantic with the right material he would be more advanced in philosophical thought than me. unfortunately his ideas are antiquated which means all his pedantry is worthless against my less pedantic but more current and more powerful philosophy.
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we shall see what you got .. time will tell shall you be crowned new king or court jester ... the rebut is on it's way

rowenwood · May 6, 2004

Quote from Turok:

Hey, Row and I have little in common when it comes to philosophy of life so I'll just watch this one. I think Row is in over his head frankly.

JB
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Well how did I do? Funny how we both are in the bay area, and we were raised vegetarians. Were you also raised in the bay area? How old are you? Do you hold a degree? If so, in what?

rowenwood · May 6, 2004

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so are you axe
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It took you long enough to figure it out. So now you know that I don't hate you. My plan was to befriend you as rowenwood and criticize you as axeman. It worked didn't it?

I don't care anymore because I'm leaving in a few days. Will you miss me?

LongShot · May 6, 2004

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It took you long enough to figure it out. So now you know that I don't hate you. My plan was to befriend you as rowenwood and criticize you as axeman. It worked didn't it?

I don't care anymore because I'm leaving in a few days. Will you miss me?
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you responding for Turok lol? how many personalities have you? apparently it didn't work cause i just busted you