Matcha's Dow E-mini Journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Matcha, May 13, 2010.

  1. Matcha

    Matcha

    Sim.

    I am very much aware of the SIM and LIVE trading are different. Since I haven't built up a sounding strategy and great read on the market, I prefer to practice in SIM. I have also set up a goal in SIM account for myself before going live. If I can't even achieve this goal in SIM, why bother trading live risking real money?

    I have no idea about sports. I am not a sporty girl at all. But didn't all the athletes who made to the major leagues spend at least 4- 5 years training, runing etcs? SIM is my training too...

    I will work on the strategy first then deal with the emotiona problems in Live next...
     
    #1171     Dec 2, 2010
  2. Matcha

    Matcha

    No need to apologize. All WISE critique is welcomed.

    It was one of the set up I have been working on. Daily chart 10.25, chart 10.28. there were this type of coutner trend trade set up as examples. I wouldn't take this kind of trades in LIVE without a proven result in sim. I understand there is a 50% of chance to go either way. Not the best high probability trade.

    Pivot level didn't scare me. the PA trading range behavior tells me the move up is not very strong. And after being stopped out, I need some time to re-assess...
     
    #1172     Dec 2, 2010
  3. Matcha

    Matcha

    Thanks ! still got to learn this type of days...
     
    #1173     Dec 2, 2010
  4. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    Testing a variety of new strategies in sim for several months helped me find strategies that made sense and gave me the courage to trade these strategies live.

    Interaction with the trader on the other side of your trade is over in a fraction of a second. It's what the majority of traders are doing after that moment is over and what you, personally, do from that moment on, that determine how your trade will turn out.
     
    #1174     Dec 2, 2010
  5. BHOFFCO

    BHOFFCO

    I think your comment on the interaction with the trader on the other side is completely wrong.

    It is not over in a fraction of a second. The trader on the other side is who you are playing against.

    You decision on what you are going to do is going to be based off what the other side is doing. This occurs until you get pushed out or the other side gives up.

    Your chance of winning or losing a trade from a given entry point is not 50/50. There are often many chances to exit with a profit and many chances to lose in a given trade.

    Most of the time when you are stopped out, it is on an extreme tick. You are not puking out of a position because you want to. You are getting out because you are being forced out do to fear, risk management parameters, or strategy.

    It is the other side who is forcing you out thus they are driving the trade.
     
    #1175     Dec 2, 2010
  6. Picaso

    Picaso

    Well said, Matcha. :)

    First you shift through the noise and come out with a strategy that has an edge. Then you work around your emotions to implement the strategy as close to 100% as planned. If you have some foresight, in the first phase you look for an strategy that you will feel comfortable with enough to properly implement.

    Losing real money while trying to figure out the markets and a valid strategy might make for great war stories at the pub, but it's not a rational proposition.

    Give them hell, M!
     
    #1176     Dec 2, 2010
  7. tlow

    tlow

    Brian,

    1. take this with a grain of salt b/c Im a newb and 2. just trying to discuss not argue...

    I feel you are being a bit pushy about getting your point across. Saying it is wrong to do this or that in trading seems somewhat naive or ignorant. Im sure there are plenty of traders that have spent time in SIM and gone live and either done well or reevaluted...gone back to SIM, fixed something, gone back to live so on and so on.

    As you wrote in your article, "Profitable trading requires that you make split second decisions in REAL time based on changing conditions. If you have time to think about it, you are the retail (losing) trader. Please do not let the though enter your mind about using a predetermined stop and target while absorbing this article. That is complete garbage and has already been addressed in another article."

    There are traders that are profitable...that have even posted in this thread that do exactly what you say not to do. So is your arguement based on your own experience?

    Speaking from my own experience, I was live for awhile with a large enough account it would take a lot of really bad days to blow it up. However, I stopped live trading because I found holes in my trading and holes in my emotional psyche. While SIM trading will only may only marginally help with the emotional part, it can definitely shore up some of the trading holes.

    I plan on going live somewhere in the near future and if something goes wrong or I find more holes, Im sure I will be back in the SIM. My recent troubles didn't blow up my account, and really I didn't even lose that big a % of the account. But I wasn't about to continue down the same road making the same mistakes without fixing some of them.

    Lastly, per your words,"A good ass kicking with a $5K account will teach you more in one month than years of simulated trading."

    Can you be a little more specific about this? Do you mean emotionally? Personally, I have no interest in losing $5k just to say I got my ass kicked and I learned something. Why can't you learn just as much and not blow up your account?

    I guess the general point is there must be a happy medium...Im not saying spending years on SIM will lead to a great trader, but it seems all the traders that are great are constantly reevaluating their trading and their systems...and that may mean doing it in SIM for X amount of time.
     
    #1177     Dec 2, 2010
  8. Picaso

    Picaso

    It seems in the markets different people look for different things: some look for excitement, status, being proven right, making money; some people look for 20 ticks with their name on them while others look for a fight with someone else.

    I'll take Nodoji over Snooki any day. :D

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/360406/its-called-a-snooki
     
    #1178     Dec 2, 2010
  9. Matcha

    Matcha


    LOL. One of my favorite reality shows...:D :D :D
     
    #1179     Dec 2, 2010
  10. Been there before, and agree with you...
    But like driving a car, before i can handle touch situation, i should know my car, know it well. Sim is a good way to learn basic strategy.

     
    #1180     Dec 2, 2010