Massive displayed size in ES!!!

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by gmst, May 13, 2013.

  1. ktm

    ktm

    It was probably a BUYER trying to drum up some volume to pick up. Based on the slow upward march since the open, it seems this market is just surrounded by buyers. Inventory is low on the sell side...that's why we keep doing this upside slog.
     
    #11     May 13, 2013
  2. etfarb

    etfarb

    thanks for posting and starting this thread

    the end is nigh
     
    #12     May 13, 2013
  3. I heard that Kim Jong Un trades 10,000 cars at a time and that he once had 1,000 consecutive winning trades in a row trading the E-mini. I also hear from a source, that he is up over 2,000% YTD in 2013 and that he has the #1 ranked account on Covestor.
     
    #13     May 13, 2013
  4. Size shown is not always what is real. You would have to show if all those contracts traded.
     
    #14     May 13, 2013
  5. Datradr

    Datradr

    very true... could be the old bait and switch trick. or an attempt to scare traders away from buying. It is very possibly real... I mean look at the run up in the s&P in the past year...a big fund taking some size off the table is not a surprise.

    Craziest thing i ever saw for obvious large size market reversal...was back in 2009 in the financial crisis...the final month before the low...I saw huge orders on the EURO Stock futures probably a few times a week 4K plus were getting hit...never saw that ever before...then low and behold the market bottoms and we never looked back.
    I guess sometimes in can be a good indicator but hey people gotta sell too
     
    #15     May 13, 2013
  6. horton

    horton

    Assuming I understand the date and time correctly, my guess is a resting order by a well informed and very large participant placed at settlement from the prior session with the expectation that settlement would be revisited.
     
    #16     May 15, 2013
  7. gmst

    gmst

    Settlement for 10th was at 29.5. The huge size was placed at 29. Probably you are correct. Thanks for the explanation.

    http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/equ...mini-sandp500_quotes_settlements_futures.html
     
    #17     May 15, 2013
  8. sammybea

    sammybea

    Considering there is about 4000-5000 contracts traded every minute, that must mean there is a sizeable amount of size which is hidden from the public view (aka icebergs)

    11k... ESP away from the inside market, is pointless. It could just mean the trader chose not to use an iceberg, whether intentional or not. Nobody said order fillers are the smartest guys in the room.
     
    #18     May 15, 2013
  9. horton

    horton

    I agree that the informative value is minimal and generally I have not found anything informative in the DOM for ES and this is logical given the various ways the instrument is used. Occasionally I will see some size in the TF DOM that is informative in the moment.

    In my view the size was visible because the participant wanted it to be visible to somebody but I can think of scenarios both ways for that so its a wash IMO.
     
    #19     May 15, 2013
  10. thats not massive.

    just a little size.

    to deceive your eyes.
     
    #20     May 15, 2013