Mass immigration roundups in U.S. to start Sunday: New York Times

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Banjo, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. When the GOP had the House and Congress in full control I did not see them falling over themselves to Help Trump either.....Guess it is not just the left that does not support him. GOP was elected based on promises to fix it and.... [crickets].

    Some of the Dem plans are batshit crazy but the fact that people are listening tells you how Trump has alienated even his own party.
     
    #41     Jul 15, 2019
  2. We have been over that probably a few hundred times here.

    It is well established that the Trump Party and the Republican Party are not the same. Okay?
    And you have to have majority of conservatives or at least non-lefties or not anti-Trumpers to enact real immigration change, and that is unlikely. So if we could dispense with this absurd body count at some point it would be more realistic.

    Nevertheless, the point stands that the dems are not helping and are part of the problem. Virtually none of them are willing to enact anything that would counter the open borders. Yeh, okay Joe Manchin, whatever. There is a growing sentiment in the country and among you lefties here that the dems get a pass for being batshit crazy just because Trump can't cobble together enough bodies in the republican party to protect the country. Most legislation does require some help from the other party, eh.
     
    #42     Jul 15, 2019
  3. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Nancy offered 25 billion for a wall moron
     
    #43     Jul 15, 2019
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  4. The batshit crazy plans won't pass either even if Dems retain control of the House and a Democrat wins office. the media and candidates are also too much of a bunch of pussies to admit that but it will happen.

    As Obama showed during his administration and Clinton did too if you look at the facts, same under Bush to show equal credit to both parties, border security was in a trend of increasing and deportations were not reduced or limited and both parties pushed for border security to slow down illegal crossings.

    All Trump had to do was put his head in the sand and let the trend continue (i.e. border wall construction, more border patrol, etc. would have kept continuing).

    What people will never acknowledge is his method of hyperbole, lies and exxageration empowered the other side and made members of his own party distance themselves. None of them have the balls to admit it. First wake up was in 2018 mid-term election and now you can hear the deafenings silence from the GOP.

    People were so happy his style got him elected no one bothered to think about whether that style would also let the GOP run their platform (ask Ryan and McConnel who still have an APB on their balls.). That is why we have a revolving door of Executive Branch employees and every time he puts together a policy it fails in execution for the most part. He is used to being the Boss and just asking for something to be done and people bend over and listen.

    Trump's best bet is Dems nominate Hilliary 2.0 and Trump squeaks by.
     
    #44     Jul 15, 2019
  5. Democrats asked for help with 1-2 million DACA kids which Trump even said he cared deeply about and wanted to help the children, and Pelosi/Schumer would support billions for the Wall, $25 billion. The proposal even said it would not allow chain immigration and end with the DACA kids.

    Several offers made would have passed GOP controlled Congress but Trump would not endorse it. He wanted more. One step at a time is how things are done. I think the biggest obstacle to Trump getting funding for border security is Trump...
     
    #45     Jul 15, 2019
  6. Reagan fell for that same lie. Called it his biggest mistake. Nothing is ever settled with the left. They are like termites, always gnawing away at our foundation, trying to weaken, then destroy it.
     
    #46     Jul 15, 2019
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    I’ve never actually seen a foundation made out of wood.
     
    #47     Jul 15, 2019
  8. What is missing in your analysis is that the implementation of the dems batshit crazy plan does not require passing any legislation. It only requires there making sure that the current open border scenario does not get fixed.

    Why do they need any legislation to accomplish that? Their batship crazy plan is already being implemented.
     
    #48     Jul 15, 2019
  9. So the left neverw ant to solve the problems OR you make a deal with the left and then that is never the end of it....


    Always a convenient answer about the left obstructing a President who had 2 years of power to get shit done. A deal ws agreed to and Trump decided to back out when even his own party ws on board.

    Seems like Trump is the big obstructionist here if we go by the facts.
     
    #49     Jul 15, 2019
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  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    I don't really pay attention to any of your postings anymore. They are so out in Left field denial area that they hold no currency with most correct-minded folks.
     
    #50     Jul 15, 2019