Martingale system in Trading

Discussion in 'Trading' started by osho67, Nov 26, 2008.

  1. Mathematically, a martingale, anti-martingale, or any other position-sizing strategy cannot in the long run make what has negative expectancy profitable.
     
    #41     Dec 31, 2008
  2. For those who are trading with an edge, using a martingale approach to betting will guarantee underperformance. The best trades will have less exposure than the losing trades.

    One should put more chips in the pot when the higher probability trades come up.

    Martingaling works best when one does not have an edge, and only for so long.
     
    #42     Dec 31, 2008
  3. Thats what I said before. Perhaps you misunderstood.
     
    #43     Dec 31, 2008
  4. Not true. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

    Nothing will change an absence of edge, not martingale, not anything, regardless of the length of time employed.
     
    #44     Dec 31, 2008
  5. That's what I said.

    Martingaling is a crutch for not having an edge. The end is always the same. It works better for systems without an edge in that it tends to make great profits before eventually collapsing.

    If one has an edge, one would not need to martingale. One would put on all or most of the position at one time, so as to maximize profits.
     
    #45     Dec 31, 2008
  6. Martingale works but it has to be with a system that has a definite edge. You have to start small and have a huge account. You have to know where to add and in what amounts. The trade has to be a retracment or a counter trend move. The trade has to be putting you back in line with the trend.

    The adds have to be based on the system having an outlier day. In other worlds you system still has to be intact.
     
    #46     Jan 1, 2009
  7. Whisky

    Whisky

    Since most losers average down in a trend move (martingale of sorts), then averaging up in a trend move (anti-martingale of sorts) is ENOUGH to give you a workable edge. Even with random or mediocre entries. The exits and risk management are critical however.

    A system like this makes most/all the money in the opportunities that one had a chance to add the contracts. (trends).

    I repeat that risk control, especially adjusting the risk stop after adding cars is what makes or breaks this type of method.

    I wish asap posted a chart of a short-only method in the same period he posted of a long-only DAX method. This would show that entries and direction bias are basically irrelevant, and all the money is made when the bigger sizes can be put on (trends in favor).

    Imagine that, entries and direction bias IRRELEVANT, and only exit/adds to work on...EXACTLY the opposite of what everybody else is looking for: A no-lose magic entry method. It figures...

    Just my 2c.

    JW
     
    #47     Jan 1, 2009
  8. I do this every day.

    Billions
     
    #48     Feb 12, 2018
  9. Isn't this the same thing (basically) as averaging your losses?

    Jesse Livermore said not to do this 100 years ago.
     
    #49     Feb 12, 2018
  10. Humpy

    Humpy

    First get your profitable trades to at least 70% before even considering martingale imho.
     
    #50     Feb 13, 2018