I got the martial arts bug again from reading this thread!! Noooo... I'm too old for that stuff....:eek: I have a book that Al Case, columnist for Black Belt Magazine I believe, if not currently then a few years back, self published. He flowcharts all the martial arts moves by stepping patterns and what you can do from each kind of step, pretty interesting. I'm just looking for ways to change up the exercise routine periodically, I did the exact same weight lifting exercises too long and developed "weak spots" in my shoulders and knees... Check out youtube for videos of bau gua... dang, that is one bad art!! They all are actually, I'm not fighting with anybody at all if I can help it, that's what my Nikes are for, turning and sprinting out the door, if I can't find the door I might have to make one on the way out.